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 Post subject: Newbie seeking advice :)
PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 4:53 am 
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Hello Everyone!!

I am looking at getting a Ignis sport :)

Have had lots of Jap cars but needs must and this looks perfect for a while.

Any possible problems to look out for?

Also... I would like to add a couple of mods:-

Coilovers - need to be full adjustable for damp / height / preload - so I can do a track day but be OK for hort journeys to work. So ideally something softer than Tein Flex etc?

Exhaust? Anything off the shelf that is OE looking but gives some more rasp?

Wheels, best ET for 15/16" ? I guess a 7J would be better 1. for tyres and 2. for grip mid corner?

That's it really

Look forward to your reply's
have tried on the owners club but no mod has even activated my account?!
I guess its a bit quiet on there.

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TeZ


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 Post subject: Re: Newbie seeking advice :)
PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 8:22 pm 
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Hi there Tez,

there is not much action on here lately, but hopefully I can start up some talk on the Ignis to get some interest going.

I think most Suzukis are pretty damned reliable (have owned a Gti and Vitara), and they certainly like to rev all day. I'd just ensure there's no crash history, rust and ensure there's no finance owing (my rego plates were listed as stolen - lol). As with most cars, a good documented service history is a bonus with regualr oil changes/filters etc. Don't have to worry about a timing belt on these as they are chain driven.
My Ignis had a couple of defects in the paint probably from the owner parking it under a tree (sap, bird poo), but that is all easily fixable.

There are not many around for sale, only a few on Carsales with a few high mileage ones and if I remember correctly a really low km blue one. I noticed there's a red one in QLD for sale but some idiot has removed the Recaros and put stock Ignis seats, plus it has horrible chrome rims. Mine had on 64000kms on it as of a month ago.

I bought a silver Ignis Sport after having my Ralliart Colt written off by an old gentleman and am slowly modding it to my specs.

So far I have ditched the stock Enkei's (put them aside I mean), and fitted 16x7 Rota R Specs with an offset of +37 which fills the guards out nicely. I won't lower it until I get used to how it handles at stock height, but might do something down the track with some decent Japanese lowered springs. I notice D2 also do a coilover kit for the Ignis.

I also decided to go with some really sticky tyres and fitted some 205/45/R16 Toyo R1R's with a wear rating of 140 which is softer again than the stock Yokohama AO43's.

Some other things that I have include fitting the Whiteline rear swaybar which gets rid of most of the body roll, and have ordered a bush set from Suzuki Sport for the stock front sway bar.

The Japanese Yahoo auctions have like over 50 pages of Ignis gear that you can buy through importers (as I have done with the front bushes), certainly more gear than was ever available for the colt.

Also if you have some cash handy at the moment, Monster Sport (Suzuki Sport) have a sale on for some of the Ignis gear, some things over 50% off.


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 Post subject: Re: Newbie seeking advice :)
PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:49 pm 
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Having owned one for over 5 year I would say for get about rear sway bar as the handling is very neutral stock. Rathr strut braces, LSD, poly bushes and k&n drop in replacement filter.

Brakes. Get some braided lines and decent pads. FYI the rear pads are the same as a RX8.

Again decent headers and exhaust, but nothing over two inches.

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 Post subject: Re: Newbie seeking advice :)
PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 11:58 pm 
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Cheers guys,

I am going for XYZ Superport coilovers to lower it a little,

I am looking at wheels, so ET37 is best ?

I was going to go for 15" and 7J and then use 205/55/R15 tyres??

any good exhausts to get?

Inducion, just get a monster filter and keep standard airbox?

Cheers

James


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 Post subject: Re: Newbie seeking advice :)
PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 4:43 pm 
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Im Running 195 & 50 15" x 6.5" tyres and rims.Tyres are cheap even for performance tyre .Rear sway bar makes the IS to twitchy in the steering and takes away the cars fairly neutral steering (theres a little bit of understeer at higher speeds) .Exhaust dont seeem to offer any additional performance but more noise. As for Induction a decent K * N air filter does the trick ,again there doesnt seem to be any gain with aftermarket pods and the like just more induction noise. Be Mindfull of making the suspension to stiff as there been a few reports of IS cracking the strutt towers (cars body) by being to stiff. :)


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 Post subject: Re: Newbie seeking advice :)
PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 10:04 pm 
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I ran king springs and koni shocks and they were a good combo. I would recommend Suzuki Sport rear ply bump stops if you are lowering the car also. And poly engine mounts.

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 Post subject: Re: Newbie seeking advice :)
PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 10:26 pm 
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I have found for me the swaybar does exactly what it is meant to do and that is to reduce the body roll, yes it does change the handling from neutral to a bit more oversteery on the rear but that is how I prefer it, it may not suit some though if not too confident. It could also do with some more negative camber on the front, but I have some camber bolts on the way to help in that department.

The front suspension really does need some work to tie it down better and to gain more precise control, as with the Gti I think this comes down to replacing all the front end bushes (including swaybar ones), bracing, and more importantly something to stop the bad axle tramp. The best fix for this is urethane engine mounts and/or gearbox mounts, I did this to my Gti and it transformed the way power was transferred to the ground - smooth and controlled. Unfortunately there is not much on the market at the moment for the Ignis in this area. Suzuki Sport don't sell anything, so it may well have to be a case of taking the Ignis to a shop that specialises in urethane bushing to see what might suit as a replacement, or filling the mounts with liquid urethane.

Probably best to go down this route before lashing out for coilovers, springs etc. Coilovers might be great for the track but not great in real world operating conditions (ie: s**t Oz roads), that is why I plan to replace everything else first and leave springs/shocks till last. A decent laser wheel alignment is also essential to make sure everything is set up properly.

The only downside with aftermarket engine mounts will be noise and vibration being transferred to the cab, but I can handle that after having similar gear fitted to the Ralliart Colt.

I was going to get Kumho KU36 in 215/45/R16 as you can get them really cheap, like under $150ea, but it is always hard to find stock, but ended up wanting try out the Toyo R1R's with a beat down price of $240 ea. If you are taking the Ignis on the circuit, put some decent R spec tyres on like the ToyoR1R's or Yoko AD08, Federals or similar if running aftermarket wheels. The AO43's on my stock rims are starting to look rather old and hard so they may not be too flash anymore for circuit nor fast road work.

Regarding the cracking on the front strut tower, was that a one off isolated incident shown on those photos or were there other reports of similar cracking?

Is there a K&N panel filter available for the Ignis or is their pod filter/CAI setup the only part available from K&N, I have a Monster Sport panel filter on the way but was just wondering?

A lot of words, but I am pretty enthusiastic about my little car, power is not my main goal and never will be, I'd rather go handling and braking first.:D


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 Post subject: Re: Newbie seeking advice :)
PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 10:41 pm 
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Great info guys!

So I have to change the bumpstops with coilovers? I have nevr had to do this with any other car :s

With good coilovers (not cheap ones) you can usually set the softest setting better than OEM while reducing body roll.

so I still think this is the best option for me as the OE height is far from a nice look.

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James


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 Post subject: Re: Newbie seeking advice :)
PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 8:49 pm 
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I believe the coilovers completely replace the stock bump stops in the rear, the front struts are a complete changeover, so the stock bump stops also disappear along with the stock suspension struts.


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 Post subject: Re: Newbie seeking advice :)
PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 11:13 am 
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The suzuki sport real bump stops are poly urethane, not the stock rubber s**t. The are also shorter to allow for more suspension travel.

The last incarnation of the suspension was tanabe springs and koni shock. Brilliant on smooth rode. Crap over anything bigger than an ant.

Edit:
Powerflex in the UK make a complete set of bushes and engine mounts. Well they did when I was researching bushes a couple of years ago. I believe MRT are their local agent.

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 Post subject: Re: Newbie seeking advice :)
PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 8:30 am 
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I've already contacted Powerflex and they do not do any engine mounts for the Ignis, just the full suspension and swaybar bushes. The ride is pretty bouncy on undulating roads, it really needs some progressive rate springs over the current ones.


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 Post subject: Re: Newbie seeking advice :)
PostPosted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 6:41 pm 
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I'm still here!

My input:
I've got 2 1/4 inch exhaust, and I reckon it's a tad too wide. 2" would be ideal. Also, a 2 1/4" caused the rear bar to get covered in soot. This stopped as soon as I swapped the muffler back to 2". The stock ECU does not adapt well to increased airflow.

I've also got 4-1 headers, which made a difference at the top end, with a sacrifice at the bottom. 4-2-1 would probably better for an all-round improvement.

If you want rasp, remove the hotdog muffler and swap the rear muffler for a straight through.

Here's how it sounded with no hotdog and a 2 1/4" straight-through:
http://www.youtube.com/ign1fy#p/u/9/o3RYy4qhRw8

Here's how it sounds now with a hotdog and a 2" standard muffler:
http://www.youtube.com/ign1fy#p/a/u/0/pWdDWwQtICk
(Note: This device used in the second vid has a 4KHz lowpass, so it sounds brighter in real life)

I've tried MarkyMark's old pipe 'n' pod, and I've also tried a K&N. I can say a good filter in the stock airbox is better. The pipe was noisy, had a slower response and got hot enough to make the engine ping.

Last I checked, Monster Sport sell air filters cheaper than Autobarn sell a K&N - particularly with the dollar where it currently is.


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 Post subject: Re: Newbie seeking advice :)
PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 8:33 pm 
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Can't beat the standard air box and a high flow panel filter, especially with regards to heat soak, and power loss with open pods. If you could make up a new fully enclosed airbox with ram air feed to a pod filter, then that may be better.

I don't know how many times I have read about someone spending big $$$ on pod filter setups only to find they lost power or torque, resulting in a change back to the stock setup. I just left my setup as standard except with the addition of the Power Filter and resonator box deletion.
The best idea would be to get someone to fabricate a new clip-on front half of the stock airbox out of CF and run a couple of cool air feeds directly into the front of the box.

I don't plan to go over 2" for an aftermarket exhaust, seems to go pretty good with the stock setup, maybe needs a tad more noise though.

Buy up from Suzuki Sport, Monster Sport and Suzuki Sport Go Go, as prices are pretty good atm, shipping is also very reasonable and only takes a few days to get here.


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