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 Post subject: replacing K6 3 cyl for K10B 3 cyl or K14B 4 cyl gbox pattern
PostPosted: Sat Jun 06, 2015 6:00 pm 
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Anyone know if the K series engines all interchange in the gearbox department?
eg. using the bigger versions of the K series instead of the small RSZ alto works


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 Post subject: Re: replacing K6 3 cyl for K10B 3 cyl or K14B 4 cyl gbox pattern
PostPosted: Sun Jun 07, 2015 10:39 pm 
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I'm interested to get a definitive answer to this question. My understanding is that there are two variants in bellhousing patterns - one for K6/K10 and another for K12/K14 but I haven't been able to confirm.

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 Post subject: Re: replacing K6 3 cyl for K10B 3 cyl or K14B 4 cyl gbox pattern
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the alto works are just so cheap here atm in Japan but too many kms


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 Post subject: Re: replacing K6 3 cyl for K10B 3 cyl or K14B 4 cyl gbox pattern
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anyone know the information for this query?

Bewitched any idea on the new swift running the K14B vs M series at least?

Im looking at the Suzuki Lapin now with K6 engine and want to fit a K14B
with turbo kit and use the AWD as RWD only.

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the k14b looks like it has a stronger block than the G13b

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 Post subject: Re: replacing K6 3 cyl for K10B 3 cyl or K14B 4 cyl gbox pattern
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K14b info in English seems scarce.


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 Post subject: Re: replacing K6 3 cyl for K10B 3 cyl or K14B 4 cyl gbox pattern
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Bwitched is teasing us, Im sure he knows more about them than google can reveal

I have a feeling there will be plenty of suzuki K14b owners throughout the developing world that want to hot them up eventually if not atm.


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 Post subject: Re: replacing K6 3 cyl for K10B 3 cyl or K14B 4 cyl gbox pattern
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I have a feeling there will be plenty of suzuki K14b owners throughout the developing world that want to hot them up eventually if not atm.



Might start in Australia!

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/191648744224?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Far cheaper than every G13B that I have found worldwide and even here in Japan.


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 Post subject: Re: replacing K6 3 cyl for K10B 3 cyl or K14B 4 cyl gbox pattern
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ishigakisensei wrote:
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I have a feeling there will be plenty of suzuki K14b owners throughout the developing world that want to hot them up eventually if not atm.



Might start in Australia!

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/191648744224?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Far cheaper than every G13B that I have found worldwide and even here in Japan.


sure cheap in Oz only the K12b I found local Japan

here is the non modded lapin I based my retro build on

lapin body welded up rear doors for tudor wagon look
big bolt on flares and wide deep dish wheels and rubber
awd converted to rwd with lsd and big block supercharged
or boosted K14b would be hard to not enjoy in sub 700kg

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 Post subject: Re: replacing K6 3 cyl for K10B 3 cyl or K14B 4 cyl gbox pattern
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I just have to say I can't wait to see a video of this drifting around a track somewhere screaming it's head off! :D [-o<

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Tassie_mk1 wrote:
I just have to say I can't wait to see a video of this drifting around a track somewhere screaming it's head off! :D [-o<


Travel daily through nicest mountain roads, georgeous sea views and no fuzz anywhere to be seeing.
Only issue is we always want to push the envelope of grip vs speed in these lil cars.
To help me will need excellent tyre wheel suspension and brake combo which is already planned
as I have access to awesome after market parts for this lil popular jigga here in Japan.
The engine/box combo possible is the mystery atm and if too much of a hassle then a cheap
ZX12R engine/box will be the final choice as busa combos are too pricey.


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 Post subject: Re: replacing K6 3 cyl for K10B 3 cyl or K14B 4 cyl gbox pattern
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Which ever way you go on this I would love to see a build thread of it! Its just ont something we see here in Aus and I'm a massive Kei ca fan! [-o<

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 Post subject: Re: replacing K6 3 cyl for K10B 3 cyl or K14B 4 cyl gbox pattern
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With the current SEVS scheme I don't understand how you'd get a Lapin into Australia in one piece, let alone register it. Tell me your secrets! :mrgreen:

I'd love to import one of these:
http://www.teammightyboy.com/features/4 ... on-truckin

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Ive been thinking of these as well but mods to make them into a ute is much
more involved than welding up some rear doors on the Lapin unfortunately.
However plenty of Kei trucks here with separate chassis on all of them so
could drop the body you like on a cheap chassis.

Im in Japan now and kei utes and vans can be had for a couple of hundred
our $AUD with a worn engine or bad box if that at all as peeps often upgrade.

I will start a thread as soon as I find an AWD SS which are popular compared
to the base model Lapins and at worst will have to convert to RWD from scratch
as all the holes and points would be there to suit.


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 Post subject: Re: replacing K6 3 cyl for K10B 3 cyl or K14B 4 cyl gbox pattern
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Im in Japan now and kei utes and vans can be had for a couple of hundred
our $AUD with a worn engine or bad box if that at all as peeps often upgrade.


So I'm assuming you'll bring one back using the 12 months Japanese ownership rule? Jealous! :lol:

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[YLD80Y] wrote:
d wrote:
Im in Japan now and kei utes and vans can be had for a couple of hundred
our $AUD with a worn engine or bad box if that at all as peeps often upgrade.


So I'm assuming you'll bring one back using the 12 months Japanese ownership rule? Jealous! :lol:


one is not enough :mrgreen:

finally found some info on models so I can look out for awd tags in ads
http://www.goo-net.com/car/SUZUKI/ALTO_ ... HE21S.html

k10a non vvl model would be good if the heads fit the k14b block to void vvl
or at least if i can use the non vvl items on the K14b head.
eg. cam sprockets, camshafts, timing case, chain and rocker cover
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 Post subject: Re: replacing K6 3 cyl for K10B 3 cyl or K14B 4 cyl gbox pattern
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Still have not heard back from Fighter so my wife will see if she can call the number for the Muro Project bike shop and see if they are still in the car tuning business.


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 Post subject: Re: replacing K6 3 cyl for K10B 3 cyl or K14B 4 cyl gbox pattern
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In regards to Fighter Engineering....

I am so tired of the lack of professionalism and courtesy of so many Japanese businesses in general, but especially famous tuning shops. Any foreigner watching YouTube videos would be forgiven for thinking that these shops are open and welcoming to foreigners and that dealing with them would be a hell of a cool experience.

The reality is that most companies beyond McDonalds or a convenience store has shyte customer service. Dealing with smaller newer and lesser known shops that have to make a name has been a far better experience for me.


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 Post subject: Re: replacing K6 3 cyl for K10B 3 cyl or K14B 4 cyl gbox pattern
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I know what you mean! Jp communication is
even pathetic between their own kind let alone
a gaijin in the mix with a well meaning Jp wife.

Hey we can start our own K14b tuning shop :lol:

Really just need rod sizes atm so we can work out
if we can use something off the shelve from spool
or able to modify a Nissan rod like a E15et rod which
has 40mm mains, almost 140mm length, cheap and
able to take a slight shave each side.
Nissan E15et series max bore size are 75mm using iron
blocks which would be very close to ally K14b and
share the same 82mm stroke.

is it possible anyone has the K14b rod specs please?


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 Post subject: Re: replacing K6 3 cyl for K10B 3 cyl or K14B 4 cyl gbox pattern
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d wrote:
I know what you mean! Jp communication is
even pathetic between their own kind let alone
a gaijin in the mix with a well meaning Jp wife.


Seriously, foreigners reading this may be very surprised at the complete fraud that is "Japan Cool" and the fairy tale about honor and politeness. Soooooooo many famous shops I've either contacted or visited and the vast majority have been azzholes full of hubris like they don't need any more money. Smaller shops that no one non-local would know about have been far more helpful.

I'm really so burned out that I don't give a damn about Minkara and if I ever do get a car built, I'll just stay quiet and never give a damn about Daikoku Futo or any publicity. Shops here don't even sponsor to allow people to save some money on a build. One shop quoted be more than $30,000USD to build a 350hp M16 engine. Whatever! I know that Japan is not a DIY culture and that people pay money without question (so few people shakken their own cars - I do an my Japanese sucks), but that amount of money is just stupid.


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Hey we can start our own K14b tuning shop :lol:



If only. I'm an idea man. Cannot do engineering to save my life.

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Really just need rod sizes atm so we can work out
if we can use something off the shelve from spool
or able to modify a Nissan rod like a E15et rod which
has 40mm mains, almost 140mm length, cheap and
able to take a slight shave each side.
Nissan E15et series max bore size are 75mm using iron
blocks which would be very close to ally K14b and
share the same 82mm stroke.

is it possible anyone has the K14b rod specs please?


Its Obon now, but I thought about contacting Suzuki Australia or UK and see if the idiot on the other side of the phone can connect me with someone who can answer a specific technical question like the one you talk about above. Regular customer service at a car company (no matter the country) don't know shyte!


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 Post subject: Re: replacing K6 3 cyl for K10B 3 cyl or K14B 4 cyl gbox pattern
PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2015 6:06 pm 
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unfortunately no amount of patience can help with the suzuki dealership parts sales section
they dont have a clue and are now zombiefied only to supply the parts with a no and thats it
long gone are the days when you could get a guy behind the counter that knows about cars.
Some of the wrecking dudes are lightyears ahead but few play with K series atm.

Long gone are the manuals with all the specs you needed, its all a throw away world these days
engines are getting harder to work on and the days of tweaking will be just software based.

Some forums in India have K12 engined car owners just swapping crank, rods and pistons
to go up 400cc for better driveability and overall better economy. Theres one that just
cleaned up and matched ported his manifold on the k12 with the K14 internals and was
very happy with the results.

I will happy with the K14b stock with some better rods and then boost but I would be interested
if all goes well in the future to try and get more capacity with this little compact engine.

I would look at getting 76mm sleeves and comparing a K14b vs E16 88mm crank & rods
then using slightly modded ycp or similar G16b 76mm pistons due to similar valve angles.

would equal 1597cc capacity and could be a good kit for the K series Swift market peeps

The M series blocks are massive things compared to the G series but definitely more suited
for the guys looking at upgrading the swifts as DMWDave has done already. We are both
wanting to upgrade our Kei cars using the K series which is a factory engine in most Suzis.


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