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 Post subject: How To Install ZC31S Gearbox into ZC21S
PostPosted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 1:47 pm 
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How To Install ZC31S Gearbox into ZC21S

What's needed to do this?
zc31s gearbox. zc31s gearbox mounting. zc31s driveshafts. zc31s knuckle

Right now i'm boosting zc21s with m16a short block. i want to swap in zc31s gearbox,


finally get my hands on zc31s pre-facelift gearbox and all parts needed for a price equal to 1000sgd
i change pcd into 4x100

on the pcd side need mod to install into my wilwood bbk

flywheel is thicker at zc31s
notice at the zc31s gearbox dont have speed sensor.. this is due to zc31s sensor is at the abs sensor at the knuckle.. but what intrigues us is that suzuki already have a hole to put into a speed sensor..

i imagine maybe ht81s or ignis sport use the same housing gearbox and have speed sensor at gearbox..

notice zc31s dont have a certain gear needed for the speed sensor..

at first garage told me to just install the gearbox w/o speed sensor.. and try it to see for trouble..

but i want my speedo running.. also EPS need speed sensor to function..
note that my car is fully daily car for me to go to work..

so we're going to move the gear into zc31s..

we cannot move whole m15a part into zc31s, due to height probs..

today going to send zc31s parts to mate fit with zc21s gear speed sensor
i'll keep u guys posted


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left is zc21s, right zc31s.. different height. so i cant move whole zc21s parts into zc31s gearbox. so we're moving the zc21s gear speed sensor into zc31s parts

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File comment: notice at the lower left of m16a gearbox, there's no speed sensor. but there is metal covering a hole for the speed sensor.. what purpose does it serve? maybe the hoousing is the same with ignis sport? i'm moving my speed sensor there, and inside also moving the sensor gear
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File comment: zc31s is heavier n thicker
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File comment: left need to machinized to fit my wilwood rotor
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File comment: zc31s driveshaft bigger
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File comment: brown is zc21s driveshaft
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File comment: all parts needed
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 Post subject: Re: How To Install ZC31S Gearbox into ZC21S
PostPosted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 2:14 pm 
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below is zc21s and zc31s gear ratio


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 Post subject: Re: How To Install ZC31S Gearbox into ZC21S
PostPosted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 7:26 pm 
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If you buy the suzukisport lsd for the sport box it is machined already to accept the speedo drive hub,so direct bolt up.

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 Post subject: Re: How To Install ZC31S Gearbox into ZC21S
PostPosted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 11:17 pm 
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wow thx for the hint dave, that mean the speed sensor will run fine in my zc21s..

what purpose does the lsd having a place for speed gear, since zc31s speed sensor is with abs?

does that mean zc31s gearbox is the same with ignis sport? and ignis sport speed sensor is in gearbox?

do u have used suzisport LSD ?

when i have extra money i'll be looking for lower final gear.. i saw in another post u say ignis sport, liana, mk3 sedan 1600 are a direct fit replacement.


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 Post subject: Re: How To Install ZC31S Gearbox into ZC21S
PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 3:04 am 
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after surfing a lot.. i've concluded that.. ignis sport HT81S and swift sport zc31s gearbox housing is the same.. different is the location of speed sensor and final gear.. ignis 3.9 and sport 4.2 or 4.3.. i know this from forum that some ignis is using zc31s final, and a fellow at singapore use ignis final in his swift sport..

than some one in jamaica attempted to use zc31s LSD but problem is zc31s doesnot have place for speed sensor gear..

so my conclusion is HT81s LSD can be used in zc31s gearbox, but zc31s lsd cant be used in ht81s..

but if it's compatible with ht81s than its compatible with zc31s..


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 Post subject: Re: How To Install ZC31S Gearbox into ZC21S
PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 1:23 pm 
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just seee the pics broos and sis hehe


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 Post subject: Re: How To Install ZC31S Gearbox into ZC21S
PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 2:06 pm 
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seee the pics.. installed evrything.. next week hope see car runnin


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 Post subject: Re: How To Install ZC31S Gearbox into ZC21S
PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 9:59 pm 
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Great posts (bagus sekali :D ), thanks for uploading all the photos too! =D>


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 Post subject: Re: How To Install ZC31S Gearbox into ZC21S
PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 3:19 am 
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terimakasih (thanx) bzchi.. :) :)

now car is refitting my bbk so that i can still use 15" rims..

hope no further probs..

a friend coming to OZ at the end of the month.. any hint where to seek new/used parts for m16a? lsd, forged pistons, or even turbo? hehehe


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 Post subject: Re: How To Install ZC31S Gearbox into ZC21S
PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 5:58 pm 
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You could also have used the diff from m18 liana gearbox as it has a speedo chopper wheel and is direct bolt into m16 sport box,you could even use the front case off the m18 liana as well.

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 Post subject: Re: How To Install ZC31S Gearbox into ZC21S
PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 3:55 am 
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but arent all m18a liana came in automatic transmission, dave?
i never came accros into a manual m18a?

what is m18a final drive dave?


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 Post subject: Re: How To Install ZC31S Gearbox into ZC21S
PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 7:18 am 
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You may not have manual m18 Liana in Indonesia but we certainly do.
M18 final drive is 3.9,the m18 diff also has the larger size shafts same as sport.

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 Post subject: Re: How To Install ZC31S Gearbox into ZC21S
PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:58 am 
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no we dont have any m18 in indo.. all engine imported..
ok that's really good info dave.. u also answered first question came to my mind haha

also i wanted to ask.. can i use ignis sport final drive into swift sport gearbox? is it plug n play?


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 Post subject: Re: How To Install ZC31S Gearbox into ZC21S
PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 6:31 pm 
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To my knowledge ignis sport has the small frame gearset like m13,m15.
Swift sport and m18 have the large frame gearset,so the diff on a ignis sport would not fit a swift sport.should be able to look up the part numbers of aftermarket or suzukisport diffs to determine for sure.

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 Post subject: Re: How To Install ZC31S Gearbox into ZC21S
PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 2:00 am 
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dmwdave wrote:
To my knowledge ignis sport has the small frame gearset like m13,m15.
Swift sport and m18 have the large frame gearset,so the diff on a ignis sport would not fit a swift sport.should be able to look up the part numbers of aftermarket or suzukisport diffs to determine for sure.


yes they have different part number.. only came accross some one trying to put zc31s LSD into HT81s sayin his prob is in the gear speed sensor.. but then he never update again..
some one in singapore said he's using ht81s final in his zc31s.. maybe not plug n play..

well then if i'm ordering lsd, i should order zc31s LSD than machinized it again to fit zc21s speed sensor.. do u have one?

and for final i should be looking for m18a final gear.. or ht81s but i have to ask further about it to this singapore fellow swifter..

by the way i have suzuki RS413 RS415 RS416 code parts, i see that m13a have 4wd variant.. do u recommend this 4wd conversion?


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 Post subject: Re: How To Install ZC31S Gearbox into ZC21S
PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 7:40 am 
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If you buy the suzukisport lsd to suit the sport box it comes with provision for a speed sensor(as it can also be used in the 1600 sedan box(G16).
If you need m18 3.9 cwp I have them in stock,I also have M18 diff with speed sensor chopper wheel.
Would love to get my hands on a m13 4wd but not available in Australia,as far as I know these were only released in Hungary.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 6:33 pm 
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wow.. i think i need those final gear hehe.. do i need the diff or just the final will work fine?
for lsd i guess m factory lsd is better for me bcause it's cheaper hehe..

well i have rs413 4wd code parts.. if u needed those i can scan it..

my friend is goin to melbourne next month.. where's your location?
how much for the final gear and everything needed to install into my sport gearbox?


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 Post subject: Re: How To Install ZC31S Gearbox into ZC21S
PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 8:34 pm 
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how bout m16a manual liana, do u kno whats the final dave?

dmwdave wrote:
If you buy the suzukisport lsd to suit the sport box it comes with provision for a speed sensor(as it can also be used in the 1600 sedan box(G16)


so i can use 1600 sedan box final too? what's the final?
is 1600 sedan box a baleno/cultus crescent?


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 Post subject: Re: How To Install ZC31S Gearbox into ZC21S
PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2012 9:02 pm 
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Swift sedan box, it was the original large frame gearset, the baleno (G16) uses a small frame gearset (like the m13 ignis) but the j18 baleno is the exception in that it has a large frame gearset.
Hope this helps.
Btw the way to determine frame size of gearset without splitting the box:
There are 3 14mm bolts (with philips head indents) on the top of the case, these retain springloaded balls on gear selector rods...
If all three are side by side its a small frame, if two are side by side and one is set apart from them, its the large frame gearset


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 Post subject: Re: How To Install ZC31S Gearbox into ZC21S
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dmwdave wrote:
To my knowledge ignis sport has the small frame gearset like m13,m15.
Swift sport and m18 have the large frame gearset,so the diff on a ignis sport would not fit a swift sport.should be able to look up the part numbers of aftermarket or suzukisport diffs to determine for sure.


Hi guys i know this is old thread. But to share...the final drive for ignis sport can be fitted into a swift sport vice versa. This has be done on my FI SSS. The reason some Singaporean used 3.9 FD on their FI SSS is to spread the torque. Too much wheel spin on bends.


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