could I get a ecu upgrade for the swift

have you bothered to look at any previous threads about this topic?

Yeah spend the money and you can wire in any standalone ECU... but if your asking then I guess you want plug and play there are no “CHIPSâ€

The Blue Emanage allows you to change

1. Air Fuel Ratio
2. Injector timing
3. Ignition Timing

plus also allows other bits and pieces like running a 5th injector for water or fuel etc

it cant control the VVT im not to sure if the emanage ultimate can or cant.

In my opion I dont know why people buy chips for their cars as each time they mod their car they need it recalibrated where as the emanage can be changed via a laptop if you know what your doing for free.

first of all, do you even *need* a ecu upgrade?

Yesterday I did have a go at an E Greddy gold piggy bag.

The first thing we encounter was the documentation from there web site. It so unbelievably bad quality you can hardly read it.

The second thing was that the unit did not understand the waste spark system of the MK6 or new swift engine giving only half the RPM and rotary switch 1 was in poison 3. Well send an hour on that one and did start with tuning with half the RPM scale.

We used the E Greddy to get an turbo kit working. On the 1.3 liter engine there is no use to play with the ignition timing. The nock sensor will retard the ignition any way as we found out.
Maybe on a N/A engine it will work better?

There are still some things to overcome. Fueling the engine is up next. Did not have the time to set this up yesterday.

If I get the chance I will use an Adaptronic standalone ECU in parallel with the stock ECU.
This thing can also do VVT al do the stock ECU wont like that. In this car you can not get rid of the stock ECU. It looks like every thing goes over this ECU including the fuel level and starting and so on.

Will keep you all informed.

Wow, that looks like an impressive project you have running there! Care to share a few more pictures with us all

Well next year I think we will post some more.

U can get the emanage to read the correct rpm and also be able to tune the ignition.

Well maybe a firm ware upgrade will do it if there is one. Dos not go further than 1.42.
I’m not going to play wit diodes the get the RPM OK. Than I will tune the car on half the RPM indication if I have to.

As for the fuel. Next Saturday we hope to wire up the injector loom of the e greddy to exstend the injector time.
Hope that will clear up all the problems of running lean and the ignition retarding.
If this is not working it’s up to the customer to decide if he want to use our Adaptronic stand alone ECU.
We already did the investigation how to implement the ECU. The only sensor we can not use be course the stock ECU is using them are coolant temp sensor and the MAP senor that can not read boost.
Beta testing on the crank trigger has been done and we don’t need the cam trigger be course the engine don’t have VVT.

I have had no dramas with my emanage reading a different RPM output, its reading what the tacho tells me. I'd be checking into it a bit more

Just so you know DMWDave is using the eManage on his turbo Swift. As far as I know he hasn't had any issues with it.

Looks like this E manage thing I have is a very old one. The documentation on there website is different than what came out of the box. Well we wait what’s happening coming Saturday.

Did you use it on a 1.3 liter engine???

No, Ive only used it on the new swift but I use the following Rotary settings as follows 3-2-2

I cant remember how I came about switch 2 and 3 I think I found it on a website but I set number one to 3 as per the following website

http://www.mohdparts.com/emanage/EmanageFAQ.txt

hope some of the info helps, but I Wouldn't know the difference between the blue and gold emanage.

So we got the car working on the E Greddy piggy bag. Did not solve the RPM even after a firmware upgrade. Just start tuning on half the RPM and that went well as well.

Before we start on the car we did some homework evaluating the engine data with the Suzuki TECH2 system giving us data about engine injector duration en ignition timing and a lot more.

Here are some facts that will be hard to get if you not have all the ECU data.

The stock ECU is not mapped to run under boost and also the MAF sensor runs out of measurement very fast.
The MAP sensor can measure until 125Kpa absolute.
Max injection time is 11milisec and 12milisec max with throttle pump effect.
Ignition timing will be 30 degrees advanced for max load.
Load indication given by the ECU will be 98% under boost indicating that the ECU is at his max.

Power output of the sage trubokit.

Boost comes up at 3000Rpm and the boost was set at 0.5bar. The power comes on from 4000Rpm on wards. The set runs a bit like most of the TD-4 turbo’s. Lagy on low RPM. I think this will be better on a 1.5L engine.
Estimated Hp between 140 and 150.

E Greddy piggy bag.

Works well with the ignition timing and the additional injector map extending the injector time.
If you like everyday tuning this piggy bag this is your thing or get a mapping for every type of whether and load this up before you drive.
They forgot to get a fuel correction map in for air inlet temp and you will need a fuel trim map of 15% or more for running all seasons.
Running the additional injector map on only a MAP sensor is more like a joke to me. Running lean when it’s cold an over fuelling the engine when worm.
We used the settings that came with the sage turbo-kit and we had to ad 7% more fuel to get the AFR correct. According to the molier diagram they did the adjustment with 40 degrees centigrade intake air temp and we run 20 degrees.

Combination E greddy and the stock ECU.

This combination and 300cc injectors will give 11:1AFR on low RPM even when you give max correction on the airflow map over fuelling the engine and giving poor engine performance.
On boost on to the redline engine performance looks OK.
The stock o2 sensor seems to have a wide range and is able to correct the AFR off boost.
To bad the stock ECU has a small range on the MAP and MAF sensors to deal with more power and the E Greddy has no air temp correction on the injector mapping preventing you from running a more ideal and save AFR and ignition mapping.
A standalone unit will give you these options al do the stock ECU is still needed for communication with various other things like the dashboard.
I think they will put it on the dyno and after that we will have a go with an Adaptronic ECU.
We already did our home work and the engine response to fuel en ignition looks the same as the G13B.

I think this turbo kit is good fun for the money spent al do I prefer to use a standalone ECU on this car.

Keep us posted
Tell us more about the standalone ECU you want to use. what does it do that e manage doesn't?

I think you refer to the Adaptronic stand alone unit.
What dos to do more? Well it has more options for running a turbo engine like boost cut out to protect your engine.
The ECU has options like boost control and can control thing like NOS or water injection and many things more.

If it comes to fuel and ignition timing there are no limitations. Running a piggy bag will always be a compromise.

On the MK2/3 Swift GTI turbo we gain 18Hp on the same boost running an Adaptronic ECU.
The 05 build Swift turbo run over 1000Km now and we wait a while before we go further so we know how it behaves.
Maybe this summer we will try the Adaptronic ECU on this car.

@rvengeneering => It is allready summer over there ..

You wrote:
"A standalone unit will give you these options al do the stock ECU is still needed for communication with various other things like the dashboard."
Can you state any other function that stock ECU should control?

Well that was yesterday. Today most of the day it was sub zero. LOL