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 Post subject: Re: Salto's carbed Swift GTi, getting ready for 24h endurance
PostPosted: Wed Jun 03, 2015 10:17 pm 
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I've looked at it, and the toque scale is different from the HP scale.

HP scale is 10-20-30 etc
TQ scale is 20-40-60 etc.

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 Post subject: Re: Salto's carbed Swift GTi, getting ready for 24h endurance
PostPosted: Thu Oct 01, 2015 7:47 pm 
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We did our first 24h race at oschersleben, Germany and we finished!
That was our main priority, especially after the gearbox failed.
Our spare gearbox didn't have a proper LSD, but a phantom grip, but it finished the rest of the race without any issues, and about 4-6 seconde a Lap slower.

Now we are looking into being more competitive next year, with a bit more power, and some upgraded suspension and more reliability..

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 Post subject: Re: Salto's carbed Swift GTi, getting ready for 24h endurance
PostPosted: Thu Oct 01, 2015 8:20 pm 
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well done salto/guys, So a mid race gearbox swap I gather, how long did that take, where did you place overall
Photos are needed!

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 Post subject: Re: Salto's carbed Swift GTi, getting ready for 24h endurance
PostPosted: Fri Oct 02, 2015 4:19 am 
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When the car was pretty much finished.. before it went off for the livery we had a photo shoot with Alex from the Wangan Warriors page:

http://www.wanganwarriors.com/project24-turning-an-idea-into-reality/

when we drove it from the sticker company to get the car aligned we noticed oil coming from the gearbox.
when we took off the gearbox, we found that there had been a piece of metal bouncing around in the clutch compartment(this was 10 hours before we had to leave to the track)

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So we had no choice but to take the gearbox to a welder and had the hole welded and mount it all again.
We threw everything on really quickly and went to germany

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Then we set up camp, unpacked our stuff, arranged everything in the pitbox and prepared for a 30 minute warmup session.
So 10 minutes before the start of that session we started the car to warm it up.. and right away oil started leaking on the distributor side of the engine.
it turned out to be the crankshaft seal.. wich wasnt leaking when we drove 100kms the day before, or driving the car up and down the trailer.. just started leaking when we started it right there.
and.. we had a lot of parts present.. but not that one.
So we had to find one in a strange country, and we dont speak the language, but after an hour or so we found one.. and replaced it.

then it was time for a 2 hour qualifying/night training session.. well..

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A broken alternator cable of all things shut the car down the first stint.
When that was fixed, fuel started leaking from the filler neck, and with it leaking on the rear-left tire we had to stop and fix that too.
the team were awake now and started to tripple check everything, and found some loose bolts we forgot the night before when we were tired and rushing to get stuff done.
After that we set up the lights properly, because the track was dark as fook.

next day at 3 'o clock it was time to start(last ofcourse):

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but after 3 hours the gearbox didn't want to go anymore

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Some time later we were on track with a PG gearbox.. and everything went well until the throttle cable broke at 5 in the morning.
An with the carbs its a pain in the arse to fix, so took almost as long as the gearbox change.

And since the cable we have had smooth sailing, finishing 26th out of 36 with almost 4 hours lost with stops and the repairs.
The result is not too great, but for our first 24 hours with a freshly bilt car with a freshly built team.. not too bad either.
And our team just clicked, so that made it an epic experience! when we went over the finish line after 24 hours..

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we celebrated like we won it!

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aaand some random pics:

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 Post subject: Re: Salto's carbed Swift GTi, getting ready for 24h endurance
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Great read dude and well done! =D>

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 Post subject: Re: Salto's carbed Swift GTi, getting ready for 24h endurance
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=D> =D> =D> =D>

Fantastic effort!!

To finish is 90% of the challenge, you guys should be wrapped!

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 Post subject: Re: Salto's carbed Swift GTi, getting ready for 24h endurance
PostPosted: Fri Oct 02, 2015 2:23 pm 
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Thanks guys, it was absolutely epic.. we cant wait till next year.
We already took the car apart, as the engine is pretty much unopened Since 1995 and was boost fead for half its life.

Plans for next year are to add a little bit of N/A power with injection instead of carbs and make it more reliable(mostly without gearbox issues).

Fun facts
-We consumed about 20 liters of fuel per hour
-We used only one set of rear tires (interstate semi slicks in 205/50/15) which were already on the car for 12 hours with testing.
-We used 3 sets of front tires (interstate semi slick 205/50/15)but could have easily done it with 2 sets.
-We used one set of (mk6 spec) brake pads (carbon lorraine CL6) and they could do another 24 hours easy
-Brake disks (international grooved) were a bit coloured, show a little bit of wear but are still straight and could do another 24 hours easy
-we picked up more than a kilo of rubber in the sideskirts, front guards, bumpers and in the wheels
-we had a 16 man crew(all friends)

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 Post subject: Re: Salto's carbed Swift GTi, getting ready for 24h endurance
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gtpswift wrote:
well done salto/guys, So a mid race gearbox swap I gather, how long did that take, where did you place overall
Photos are needed!

GTP


Car in & out box, swapped tranny & refueled (outside) ect in an hour and 15 minutes.

It was so awesome, finally something fun to do, well, at least for us mechanics :lol: :lol: :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Salto's carbed Swift GTi, getting ready for 24h endurance
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Nice work, thanks for posting =D>

The Wangan Warriors photos are awesome!


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 Post subject: Re: Salto's carbed Swift GTi, getting ready for 24h endurance
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Yeah, Alex makes absolute killer pictures.
I think tomorrow is the next blog about the project will go online.

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 Post subject: Re: Salto's carbed Swift GTi, getting ready for 24h endurance
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Great work team that is awesome! =D>

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 Post subject: Re: Salto's carbed Swift GTi, getting ready for 24h endurance
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Here is our story though the eyes of Alex from Wangan Warriors:
http://www.wanganwarriors.com/project24-the-little-swift-that-could/

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 Post subject: Re: Salto's carbed Swift GTi, getting ready for 24h endurance
PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2015 9:39 pm 
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Salto wrote:
Now we are looking into being more competitive next year, with a bit more power, and some upgraded suspension and more reliability..


Any chance you could fit an Australian Driver like ME into your team next year?

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 Post subject: Re: Salto's carbed Swift GTi, getting ready for 24h endurance
PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2015 9:06 am 
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We can always build a second car ;)
There probably wont be a 24h next year, which sucks.. but we'll do a 6 and a 12 I think.
After that we want to look at fia-grade stuff, but I think we cant make the swift work for that .

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 Post subject: Re: Salto's carbed Swift GTi, getting ready for 24h endurance
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So, preperation has started for next year!
We pulled th car apart for an engine rebuild, gearbox rebuild,shock rebuild, new joints for the toe arms etc.

We also are extending our control arms for a bit more camber and a bit more caster.

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And also are making a fresh bonnet, because our old one will be signed by all team members and will be put on the wall of the garage

Inner frame:
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Inner frame with holes
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Complete with a bit of drawing
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Complete with vents cut:
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 Post subject: Re: Salto's Swift GTi endurance project
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Impressive job on the bonnet =D>
What's the weight difference? Stock is 10kg if I remember correctly?

Let us know how you like the extended control arms!


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 Post subject: Re: Salto's Swift GTi endurance project
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Thanks!

When we weighed our original bonnet, it was 11 kg.
Our last one was 4 kg, and we werent really nitpicky with making it as light as possible.
We used gelcoat on the outside AND coated the Inside to make it look smooth then.

After our 24h race the full team signed that and it wil be put up on the wall of our garage.
We had an outside skin laying around the garage for some time, so we thought we'd make the new one a bit lighter.
But when we picked up the skin to glue it to the Inside, it turned out we used a few layers of fibreglass more than with our other bonnet.

So this one will be between 5 and 6 kgs.. but provide better cooling (we hope) and look a lot cooler :)

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 Post subject: Re: Salto's Swift GTi endurance project
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Great read thanks, just be careful extending your lower arms too much as your driveshafts will be too short, I believe the gti auto driveshafts are 5mm longer.

With your front tyres, did you scrub them in before hand or throw them on 'green' during the race?


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 Post subject: Re: Salto's Swift GTi endurance project
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We are extending the arms just a little bit, just so we have a slight bit more camber, and we dont have to angle the hubs so much and still keep solid topmounts.
we have to test if it will work, but it looks great sofar.

a little bit about the tires:

We were only allowed one brand of semi slick tires for the endurance series called interstate. they are a budget semi-slick, comparable to the nankang (should be same factory, same compound), cost about 80 euro a piece.
they were only available in 205/50/15, so stupid large for a swift, but since they fit we had to run them.
BUT, suprise surpirse, these tires were awesome. best semi slick tire we've ever had between the four of us.
I've ran most of my trackdays on toyo 888 and a few on advans, but the Interstate/nankang were faaaaar better.

I've had the pleasure of starting on a fresh set of tires, we never scrubbed them and werent allowed to use chemicals, but the grip from the get-go was fenoninal.
it needed about a lap of warming up (something I forgot 4 in the morning and took a bit of a shortcut through the kitty-litter) but were consistant all the way untill canvas came through (we were really impressed by them).
we did the full 24hours on our rears and about 12 hours with fronts, but we decided to change early for insurance and used an extra set of fronts.

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 Post subject: Re: Salto's Swift GTi endurance project
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I found with my car being so low the driveshafts are quite extended and under braking the lower control arm mounts would spread slightly extending the shafts and causing me to pull the gearbox side shaft out of the box, a solid brace has stopped pulling the shaft out but I'm aware there isn't a lot of spare length in the driveshaft and cv's.

Those tyres must be very durable, (ie Hard) to last 12hrs, there's nothing quite like racing on a fresh set of tyres, I trust you had a warm up lap or two to knock the mould release off? I was going to suggest if you needed more life out of the fronts to scrub them in for two laps the day before and letting them cool overnight, that initial heatcycle will help stabilise the rubber compounds and you'd get considerably more life out of the tyre with a fractionally slower lap time for the first 20-30 laps, after that it's likely the grip level would be the same but the scrubbed tyre will last longer.

Not a huge fan of the 888's personally I think they are over rated and over priced, I remember when Toyo's, Kumho's and Hankooks were considered cheap and budget brands and priced accordingly, nowadays it's Achilles and Nankang and others at the bottom of the racing tyre stack.


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