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PostPosted: Sat Sep 26, 2015 6:42 am 
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If they(suzuki) had waited about four weeks longer vw share price has dropped 20% because of the problem with all their diesel cars not meeting proper emission standards!!!, but maybe suzuki saw that all unfolding and wanted nothing to do with the vw group.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 26, 2015 7:45 am 
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I think we will see a number of other marques implicated in this if it isn't a witch hunt.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 26, 2015 11:21 am 
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The research team at University of West Virginia discovered this about a year ago, might of been a different outcome if VW hadn't of denied it for so long, it's hardly a new thing anyhow, most of the truck manufacturers did exactly the same thing in the US in the mid 80's and yes VW won't be the only ones...

Personally it wouldn't stop me from buying a VAG vehicle and I can't stand diesels anyhow, I'm sure all the US manufacturers will get as much mileage as possible out of this fiasco, it's pretty minor when you compare it to GM's faulty ignitions which officially killed 13 people, unofficially 124, yet people still buy GM.

Suzuki's timing couldn't of been better though.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 26, 2015 9:10 pm 
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There was some NRMA spokesperson on tv today saying how they are lobbying to get govco to make new regs to "protect" consumers from this sort of thing and to make sure Australia doesn't become a dumping ground for inferior products that don't comply to international standards :roll:
Not really sure how how fiddling with emission tests directly affects consumers. Not really a safety concern and todays oil burners are no doubt much cleaner than they were 30 years ago when every single one of them used look like a coal fired locomotive :lol:


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 26, 2015 11:39 pm 
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StinkyWizzleteats wrote:
Not really a safety concern


40 times the maximum NOx levels seems like a significant safety concern to me. To put in in perspective, The Guardian claims that the extra tonnage of NOx from this issue per year in America alone is the equivalent of all vehicles, power stations, industry and agriculture in the UK combined.

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Have not really read into it, but is that 40x the current euro emission standards maximum?
And how does the VW emissions compare to their diesel (even petrol) trucks that they seem to love over there which I assume would use a fair whack more fuel compared to a passenger car.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2015 4:56 am 
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The cars meet the Euro standard, its the fact that the American standard for Diesel passenger cars is 13 times more stringent the Euro standard which is why American manufacturers don't build many diesel cars, they can't meet the standards without strangling the performance, this issue only relates to the EA189 2L 4 cyl engine sold in the US, although you can be sure the rest of the engines will be retested now.

Of course there is a different and way more relaxed standard for their SUVs :roll:


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2015 6:56 am 
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[YLD80Y] wrote:
StinkyWizzleteats wrote:
Not really a safety concern


40 times the maximum NOx levels seems like a significant safety concern to me. To put in in perspective, The Guardian claims that the extra tonnage of NOx from this issue per year in America alone is the equivalent of all vehicles, power stations, industry and agriculture in the UK combined.

Was too tired to reply properly last night...
I find it hard to believe that there is that many vw diesels running in th US to output more nox than an entire countrie's output.
Also the safety concern I meant was a direct issue to the driver/occupants of the vehicle. The car isn't going to burst into flames, cause wheels to fall off or create a life threatening accident because it is pumping out pollutants. ;-)


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2015 10:35 am 
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At this stage there has been 482,000 cars identified, I also find it very hard to believe that 482,000 cars can emit more NOx pollution than the whole of the UK when they have 35+ million cars, seems like some sensationalist journalism.
40 times the maximum US NOx level would be worst case scenario, the average emissions during normal driving would be a lot less, from my reading the NOx levels will rise considerably under high boost and high load, VW will fix this with a software patch but will have to sacrifice performance to achieve it.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2015 8:35 pm 
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Siemens and Bosch should be worried, being the main Ecm supplier to VW and most of the Euro manufacturers, the buck will be past around many times before this is over


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 1:05 am 
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prob is who gets the bucks

really they should build solar cities and invest in sustainables for what theyve done


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 Post subject: Re: vw in crisis
PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 11:52 am 
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Powered_by_Suzuki wrote:
Siemens and Bosch should be worried, being the main Ecm supplier to VW and most of the Euro manufacturers, the buck will be past around many times before this is over



Why, they supply the unit not the tuning! VW do all the tuning work in house, so it is 100% their own issue.

They may be brought into it by allowing "external" influences to change the tune, but I highly doubt it.

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 Post subject: Re: vw in crisis
PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2015 9:11 pm 
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+1 What Simon Said, Myself i have a XR5 Turbo which runs a Bosch M909 ECU from the factory, :P I've already enabled features in it the factory didn't (And removed things they should have not set like toque limiting). the main was was the hidden tuning tables and the big boost map :D Anyway. Ford tuning was junk and needed to be re-done.

VW Knew what they where doing. they have their own engine Testing center for emissions and power, they did it all behind closed doors.

They just didnt think they would get caught ;)

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 Post subject: Re: vw in crisis
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The problem with the diesels comes down to the quality of the fuel used in different country's.

With the emission controls depending on how poor the fuel is it was clogging or unable to cope with the fuel and the emissions which resulted.

I look after a fleet of 60 diesels and the amount of clogged intake manifolds due to emission controls is insane. With the poor quality diesel we have in Australia depending on the model of ute some require the intake removed/stripped and cleaned every 20,000 due to the emission controls in the vehicles

As posted they had not found a way to not loss power, low maintenance cost and keep the emissions limits. Easiest way was to cheat and they will end up paying just a matter of how much.

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 Post subject: Re: vw in crisis
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Zuboo wrote:
Easiest way was to cheat and they will end up paying just a matter of how much.


The fine is reportable going to be around the multiple BILLION US$ mark :shock:

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 Post subject: Re: vw in crisis
PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 5:26 pm 
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I got this email from Audi NZ a few hours ago :lol:
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Message from Audi New Zealand

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As you may be aware, the Volkswagen Group in Germany is currently working through an emission issue on certain diesel engines. Some Audi four cylinder diesel engines are affected by this issue.

We have received advice overnight from Audi AG in Germany that there is an action plan for resolving this issue.

We are awaiting confirmation as to which specific vehicles are involved in New Zealand and the appropriate technical solutions.

Should your vehicle be involved, we will be in touch about the next steps as soon as possible. Please note, all vehicles are technically safe and roadworthy.

If you have any queries in the meantime, please either contact us at info@audi.co.nz or your local Audi dealership.

Audi New Zealand is, and always has been, committed to our customers and that remains our absolute priority.

Kind regards,

Dean Sheed
General Manager


I'm sure the solution is to strangle the performance out of the diesel so much you wished you'd saved your money and bought a petrol version :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: vw in crisis
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Also thought it only effected US models?

So they fudged the EURO5 testing as well then.

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Didn't think we had emissions standards here in NZ :lol:
There is a ton of Japanese imported VW and Audi's here that probably won't get (or want) a firmware upgrade.


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 Post subject: Re: vw in crisis
PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2015 11:38 am 
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moylee19 wrote:
Zuboo wrote:
Easiest way was to cheat and they will end up paying just a matter of how much.


The fine is reportable going to be around the multiple BILLION US$ mark :shock:


just printed money or digitized funds to the EPA which will party with it


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