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 Post subject: Re: K14B the future G13b ?
PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2015 10:39 am 
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I believe the peeps with the 370hp don't want to reveal any details to remain competitive in their class as you might understand after living in Japan that everyone copies everyone else.


It is possible because this is the only Muro Project place in Osaka. The place in Shikoku that makes the amazing body kits for the Cappuccino is basically a guy's garage next to his house. He said that he'd take visitors but there was really nothing to see. The knock-off industry is rampant here.

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Its not just Japan but Japanese have few innovators and plenty of copy cats with deep pockets so it wouldnt surprise me if they are keeping the cards close to their chests.


And you are right about the lack of innovation. Typical Japanese stupidity - Abe wants universities to get rid of Humanities departments while promoting engineering. Humanities is where the innovation comes from and so many tech people around San Francisco send their kids to Montessori or Waldorf schools. In the land of 'kaizen' older Japanese insist on doing things their way no matter how obviously stupid and failure guaranteed that it is.


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in all honesty you should consider using a jimny gearbox and an M18a with M16a non vvt head.



That was what I was considering and a done deal. However, when I've researched here, all I see is how fragile the M18 is and that even Darton sleeved M16->M19 engines are going to be weak. Further, I'd have to source the engine from Australia and ship here to Kyoto. But, RMS has a 350hp M19 limited edition Swift and a few others have done so as well. The M19 bore up kit from Monster is $4000 US or even Australian (near enough) plus the cost of the engine itself. Nah, rather just get a M18 to start with. Or, if 2.0L is the way to go, I've just looked into getting a J20 or even J24. I assume that both will fit since a Mazda 13b rotary will and has fit into a Cappuccino.

I was hot for getting this done, but since I read so much conflicting info, I just pulled back. Now, with Suzuki making a K14b turbo (reportedly) I may just have made the right decision because turbo parts will be made for the K14 eventually. Patience may be a virtue because no G13b can be found either nor can a J20 so far here in Japan and the J24 (180hp) is still a bit expensive due to so few crashed Kizashi.


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 Post subject: Re: K14B the future G13b ?
PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2015 12:32 pm 
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It is possible because this is the only Muro Project place in Osaka. The place in Shikoku that makes the amazing body kits for the Cappuccino is basically a guy's garage next to his house. He said that he'd take visitors but there was really nothing to see. The knock-off industry is rampant here.

I figured something along those lines, there are plenty of businesses always looking at the little guys efforts to just copy and run with it


And you are right about the lack of innovation. Typical Japanese stupidity - Abe wants universities to get rid of Humanities departments while promoting engineering. Humanities is where the innovation comes from and so many tech people around San Francisco send their kids to Montessori or Waldorf schools. In the land of 'kaizen' older Japanese insist on doing things their way no matter how obviously stupid and failure guaranteed that it is.

Abe is the best puppet Japan has ever had, he is pushing for Japan to be another weapons manufacturing country for the Allies of the good cop USA. China is the bad cop and both benefit from fear mongering for weapons sales as they are each others largest trading partners so both benefit from this cat and mouse effort to get all asian countries to fork out for defense.

Having engineering increases the push towards military technology and can be perfect minions of the MIC entity which has grown so significantly in the last 2 decades. Japan is at a crossroads and it looks like its heading the same way as the US where 75% of its employed citizens are directly or indirectly sponsored by the MIC or War machine. Weapons sell better than anything so shares in theis industry is wise at the expense of humanity, morals and dignity.


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in all honesty you should consider using a jimny gearbox and an M18a with M16a non vvt head.

That was what I was considering and a done deal. However, when I've researched here, all I see is how fragile the M18 is and that even Darton sleeved M16->M19 engines are going to be weak. Further, I'd have to source the engine from Australia and ship here to Kyoto. But, RMS has a 350hp M19 limited edition Swift and a few others have done so as well. The M19 bore up kit from Monster is $4000 US or even Australian (near enough) plus the cost of the engine itself. Nah, rather just get a M18 to start with. Or, if 2.0L is the way to go, I've just looked into getting a J20 or even J24. I assume that both will fit since a Mazda 13b rotary will and has fit into a Cappuccino.

J engine is a monster in size and weight, they are now halve iron bottom ends where the bearings are held which is good for boost and bigger cars but in all honesty not worth putting a boat anchor in your cappa. Leave them for the bigger cars and I would even consider an older v6 over the J20.

I was hot for getting this done, but since I read so much conflicting info, I just pulled back. Now, with Suzuki making a K14b turbo (reportedly) I may just have made the right decision because turbo parts will be made for the K14 eventually. Patience may be a virtue because no G13b can be found either nor can a J20 so far here in Japan and the J24 (180hp) is still a bit expensive due to so few crashed Kizashi.

just found another source of rwd box and might be a good one as engine is slanted in the carry and using an adaptor plate from NZ can easily be tilted in any direction.
http://chinaautoweb.com/car-models/suzuki-landy/

also I like the K14b as it has so many forms available for tuning and looks like an engine for the future of suzuki for the next 10 years.


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 Post subject: Re: K14B the future G13b ?
PostPosted: Sat Sep 26, 2015 10:46 am 
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This guy in Thailand did something with a K12. No numbers that I can see though.

http://www.rsrs.jp/en/gallery/description/140311/


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 Post subject: Re: K14B the future G13b ?
PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2015 2:22 pm 
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I dont understand why suzuki tuners are so unlike 2 Daves on here which happily share what is done and what they achieve with their builds or customers. Other makes this is a non issue.
Especially Escort forums where the 2 litre dinasaur ohv are making 200hp ate by the sharing
of information and helping each other out. Datsun and some other makes also no issues.

Im getting a K14b crank, rod and slug from a wreckers when I go back to Oz in order to at least get the specs for it as even that info is hard to come by atm and will secure me a big crank at least and rod/slug to try and match to something off the counter.

K12b only available in japan atm


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 Post subject: Re: K14B the future G13b ?
PostPosted: Thu Nov 26, 2015 10:06 pm 
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Got an initial reply asking the guy in Thailand about how much power his car made. No follow up. The G13 still seems like the better option despite the K14 being newer simply because the G13 has some tuning history. But then...may the M16 is finally getting proper tuning to make 300-ish horsepower.


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 Post subject: Re: K14B the future G13b ?
PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 3:06 pm 
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Moving out of Japan soon to much better paying job in Vietnam. However, I won't need or even be able to drive for some time. Still would like to follow if anyone develops a K12 or K14 engine.

Or.....if the M16 can be made more solid.


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 Post subject: Re: K14B the future G13b ?
PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2016 10:57 pm 
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I will still go this way however ran out of time in Melb to get crank and rods
so will definitely on next trip.

Good luck in Vietnam sounds like an awesome change although safety is
much lower, streets have alot of junk and food is not often safe :)

will u be back in jpn in the future?


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 Post subject: Re: K14B the future G13b ?
PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2016 8:15 pm 
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I'm lucky in that my life will center around District 7. Very safe and Western and a hell of a lot more money and no school fees like here in Japan. I'd like to move back to Japan, but only with a DoDDS military base school or a a school that pays me enough and gives my two sons a free ride. By April of next year, I would have spent more than $8000USD for my sons' school feels alone while I can easily save that much in Saigon in 4 months....and have a nanny housekeeper.

I love Japan, but I love money for retirement more.


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