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 Post subject: Wilwood Cailpers for GTI
PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 2:51 pm 
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s**t i just lost this post :(

back to topic.

Wilwood calipers, seen lots lately and got a bit turned on.

What i found:
Dynalite 4 piston calipers are the best suited to the swift, anything bigger is even more overkill.

We already know early honda crx, prelude and intergra calipers will bolt to the gti hub

Suitable rotors will need to be sourced

Kits are available for hondas:
http://fastbrakes.com/shop/index.php?cPath=28_264
http://fastbrakes.com/shop/index.php?cPath=28_56
http://fastbrakes.com/shop/index.php?cPath=28_37

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 Post subject: Re: Wilwood Cailpers for GTI
PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 5:54 pm 
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Talk to Garndi, I know he has access to a bracket to adapt an off the shelf Wilwood item to the GTi.


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 Post subject: Re: Wilwood Cailpers for GTI
PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 6:18 pm 
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Yes Garndi has access to a bracket, but I find it unlikely he will hand it out.

He told me that if your car had an accident due to brake failure he would be liable, so you would just have to source your own I guess.

He did tell me the brakcet would be about $200Aud to draw & make though.

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 Post subject: Re: Wilwood Cailpers for GTI
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I already work on this for a month or two.

you can go 11'' rotor or 12.19'' rotor.
For the 11'' one, Wilwood sell a bracket for the honda (PN 250-8642) and you will need a rotor and a rotor hat, presently I am working on design of the hat.

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Or you can buy rotor from car that already have 11'' one from OEM

I'll will post more information about the 12.19'' kit tonigh because I have to go to work


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 Post subject: Re: Wilwood Cailpers for GTI
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bzchi wrote:
Talk to Garndi, I know he has access to a bracket to adapt an off the shelf Wilwood item to the GTi.


The bracket would comes as part of the kit, if the supplied brackets fit the honda, they will fit the gti.

Suzimanic the rotor hat looks the goods.

The only reason it posted is because no one had any information.

Hmmmm turbo manifold..... wilwood

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 Post subject: Re: Wilwood Cailpers for GTI
PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 9:40 pm 
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markymark wrote:
bzchi wrote:
Talk to Garndi, I know he has access to a bracket to adapt an off the shelf Wilwood item to the GTi.


The bracket would comes as part of the kit, if the supplied brackets fit the honda, they will fit the gti.


I know for a fact the bracket he used was designed (CAD) and machined by someone he knows very well (and I believe uses this forum too) specifically for the GTi. He is not using a Honda kit, so if you go a Honda kit you are on your own.

Someone should shell out for the Honda Prelude kit the matches the years that have the OEM callipers that match the GTi fronts (posted above) and let us know how you go. Problem is, the Wilwood kit may use it's own bracket to fit the Honda specifically that won't fit the GTi (even though the OEM items do). You just need someone who is willing to take a 1k gamble.

Suzitech do a bolt on kit too:
http://www.suzitech.com/pics/products/g ... pgrade.jpg

Not Wilwood I know, but it's just a matter of R&D and someone willing to share the info.


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 Post subject: Re: Wilwood Cailpers for GTI
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I had a look at rotor last night and 199-96 VTEC prelude rotors are the best match, but may need a little machine to fit. ie. to large and im unsure of the PCD

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 Post subject: Re: Wilwood Cailpers for GTI
PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 9:50 am 
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I had a look at rotor last night and 199-96 VTEC prelude rotors are the best match, but may need a little machine to fit. ie. to large and im unsure of the PCD


Best match in what sense? Discs may fit but the calliper bolt hole alignment was the problem from memory?

I have a feeling Honda switched to 4x100 in the mid 90's too.

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Nope.. callipers you listed should still match PCD (don't know about the rest). In 97 they went to 5x114.. knew there was a change there somewhere :) .. Not that i'd be looking at Honda's :roll:
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 Post subject: Re: Wilwood Cailpers for GTI
PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 11:12 am 
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Look Sam, I just throught I would share information with people. If you want to be a dick about it go ahead.

Have look at the DBA catalogue 92-96 Honda Prelude VTEC and 94-97 VTIR, part number 200. Compare that to the swift GTI front discs for offset, centre bore and stud pattern.

Also if anyone is interested ive emailed http://www.prolinks-rs.com/ these guys for more information on there set up. If anyone is interested PM me, if not f**k it.

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 Post subject: Re: Wilwood Cailpers for GTI
PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 1:38 pm 
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markymark wrote:
Look Sam, I just throught I would share information with people. If you want to be a dick about it go ahead.

Have look at the DBA catalogue 92-96 Honda Prelude VTEC and 94-97 VTIR, part number 200. Compare that to the swift GTI front discs for offset, centre bore and stud pattern.

Also if anyone is interested ive emailed http://www.prolinks-rs.com/ these guys for more information on there set up. If anyone is interested PM me, if not f**k it.


Excuse me? how am I being a dick about it? I just asked in what sense they were the best match? You said you weren't sure on PCD, so I posted the PCD's for the models?

Now you share all your fucking info about how you came to that conclusion? pull your head in.. I didn't know what you'd done, I was trying to assist with what I knew.

If you can categorically say that the Wilwood Honda kit will fit the GTi because the OEM Honda items do, why discuss it?


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 Post subject: Re: Wilwood Cailpers for GTI
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bzchi wrote:
markymark wrote:
Look Sam, I just throught I would share information with people. If you want to be a dick about it go ahead.

Have look at the DBA catalogue 92-96 Honda Prelude VTEC and 94-97 VTIR, part number 200. Compare that to the swift GTI front discs for offset, centre bore and stud pattern.

Also if anyone is interested ive emailed http://www.prolinks-rs.com/ these guys for more information on there set up. If anyone is interested PM me, if not f**k it.


Excuse me? how am I being a dick about it? I just asked in what sense they were the best match? You said you weren't sure on PCD, so I posted the PCD's for the models?

Now you share all your fucking info about how you came to that conclusion? pull your head in.. I didn't know what you'd done, I was trying to assist with what I knew.

If you can categorically say that the Wilwood Honda kit will fit the GTi because the OEM Honda items do, why discuss it?


My apologies, i guess it took it the wrong way. My reasoning for the honda being a good bet is that the OEM hondas bolt prerfectly to the GTi hub. So without stretching the imagination im guessing the Wilwood honda adaptors would also for the gti hub.

I think the prelude rotors are the best fit because the match two out of three criteria, and out of the criteria the PCD is the easiest to fit.

Lastly the reason for discussing the topic is that now one els has the information, or is willing to part with the information.

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 Post subject: Re: Wilwood Cailpers for GTI
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There are some spec that you need to know before searching any part that may fit GTi hub.

- car - year -rotor diameter (mm) - hub diameter(mm) - rotor hat height(mm)- boltpattern
- Suzuki Swift GT - 1989 to 1994 - 250mm - 60,1mm - 50mm- 4x114,3mm

And there are the spec of other car

- car - year -rotor diameter (mm) - hub diameter(mm) - rotor hat height(mm)
- Honda Accord 4 cyl - 1990 to 2002 - 259,8mm - 64,10mm - 47mm
- Acura CL 2,3l - 1998 to 1999 - 259,8mm - 64,15mm - 47mm
- Honda Prelude Si - 1992 to 1996 - 262mm - 64,1mm - 47,1mm
- Acura Legend - 1986 - 262mm - ? - 51,2mm

11inchs rotor (you need a custom bracket if you want those rotor to fit the caliper)
- Honda Prelude Vtech - 1992 to 1996 - 282mm - 64,1mm - 47,1mm
- Nissan Altima - 1993 to 2001 - 282mm - 66,1mm - 49,2mm
- Acura Legend coupé - 1987 - 282mm- ? - 51,2mm


After that I think that you can start your search

There is a link to download the wilwood catalog: http://www.4shared.com/file/61890045/c4a751d1/2008_Tech_Catalog.html

Honda caliper are direct bolt-on on GTI hub
so we can use the bracket(250-8642) that come in the 11'' honda kit(140-8695)
PDF;http://www.4shared.com/file/61890589/676f901d/140-8695.html
or the bracket (250-6289) that come with the 12,19'' honda kit(140-6163)
PDF;http://www.4shared.com/file/61890047/2aa930fd/140-6163.html

2002 MITSUBISHI LANCER with 4x114,3mm of bolt pattern have front rotor height of 47mm so we can use the Hat(170-6996) from the wilwood kit(140-7015) PDF;http://www.4shared.com/file/61890449/ca18b526/140-7015.html

Note: if you use the lancer hat, that have a bolt circle of 8x7,00'' you will have to use 12,19'' rotor(160-5843) because 11'' rotor(160-5840) have a bolt circle of 6x6,25''. If you want to use 11'' rotor, you need custom made hat or use one piece rotor from an other car that came with 11'' from OEM.


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 Post subject: Re: Wilwood Cailpers for GTI
PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 8:04 pm 
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Suzimanic you have just hit gold.

So if we look at using the 11" disc for the GTI we would need the following?
bracket 250-8642
Hat 170-6996

So we know the bracket, the hat and the rotor needed for the GTI. Next is the calper decision:
Do we allow 1" or 1.25" for the disc width and 1.38" or 1.75" for the bor size? Or just go with the civic kit?

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 Post subject: Re: Wilwood Cailpers for GTI
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markymark wrote:
Suzimanic you have just hit gold.

So if we look at using the 11" disc for the GTI we would need the following?
bracket 250-8642
Hat 170-6996

So we know the bracket, the hat and the rotor needed for the GTI. Next is the calper decision:
Do we allow 1" or 1.25" for the disc width and 1.38" or 1.75" for the bor size? Or just go with the civic kit?


I think that 0.81'' disc width and 1,75'' piston bore size is the more appropriate.

The rotor hat that came in the Lancer kit will not accept 11'' rotor because 11'' rotor do not have the same bolt circle as the hat in the Lancer kit.

In the next two week I will buy bracket, caliper and rotor, I will install them on Gti hub and measure what will be the perfect hat height for our purpose. If you can wait for one month and a half I will send you all the exact part number.


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 Post subject: Re: Wilwood Cailpers for GTI
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Cheers for that, im not in any real rush

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 Post subject: Re: Wilwood Cailpers for GTI
PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 10:44 pm 
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Wilwood conversion :D

HONDA INTEGRA 1.8
INTEGRA 1.8 TypeR 16v VTEC DC. 10/95
Fr Di 952010 V 4 262 51 64 20

Diameter: 262
Thickness: 21
Min Thk: 20
S/V: V
HT: 51
Bore: 64
Studs: 4

http://domain421029.sites.fasthosts.com/

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I dont want to sell the brackets..... I dont sell brakes not something I mess with on other peoples cars!.

I have however sent Sam the DXF file for the bracket (use at your own risk), hopefully he will be able to host the file and you guys can get it made, should be cheap as all the hard work has been done :wink: .

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These are 4 pot dust sealed Midilites drop-forged billet....etc

I have the part number BU -120 - 7376.

These were brought from......>

http://www.rallydesign.co.uk/product_in ... ts_id=8317

You will also need to adapt the caliper to the brake line.

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 Post subject: Re: Wilwood Cailpers for GTI
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Legend Garndi =D>

I really like the look of the discs, much better than the crap that we get here.

PM sent Garndi

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 Post subject: Re: Wilwood Cailpers for GTI
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has anyone researched what is a suitable upgrade for the rears brakes?

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droo wrote:
has anyone researched what is a suitable upgrade for the rears brakes?


WIL-120-9687 with WIL-120-2280

or

Wil-120-9809 parking brake combination caliper

all this fitted with custom bracket and rotor


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Found a source for 12''(305mm) front rotor with 4x114,3 boltpattern, 49,2mm height and 66,1mm bore.

Brembo part number 25937.......73,50$each ventiled dischttp://www.buybrakes.com/store/BR25937


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