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 Post subject: Re: ITSMAD UPDATE
PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 7:00 am 
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But 10psi 200hp still hard to believe :? im a skeptic...


Mine did it on a base tune so not hard to believe. This is at all fours though which makes it more impressive. Are you sure its only 5-7% loss. For some reason I thought it would be a lot more. Have you modded the driveline yet or waiting for the tune to be done?

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 Post subject: Re: ITSMAD UPDATE
PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 9:08 am 
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The 5-7% loss is a bit conservative, but I'd rather say less than more. There is still a fair bit of timing to go in it yet, I'd say it will go around 205-210hp at this boost level, which was actually 9.5 not 10psi. Its quite an efficient little engine, thats for sure. I'm shocked so far at how it goes with that turbine wheel With a GT30 rear, it will spool 100rpm later max, but come on harder and pull better through the mid/topend. The current power level, doesnt really show the restriction on the graphs.
Still possibly will change camshafts with the new turbo, but for people that are interested, this is by no means the peak of development with this. There are gains to be had in the intake manifold, turbo manifold, larger camshafts and turbo manifold.
For the big cam doubters, on the road, this car is one of the most responsive small capacity engines I've ever driven. It will pull up a hill from 1500rpm in 5th, and overtake cars. It starts making positive boost pressure just over 2000rpm. (The cams make BD14's look tiny, but then again, BD14's are and arent that well suited to a turbo application)

As for the driveline, well the clutch will never slip, thats for sure. There are a few changes to improve traction and reliability that are being done. After that, it will be tested at the boost drag day on July 6th. It may or may not break the driveline, but thats racing. When it does, it'll get strengthened, but atm, we are only guessing as to what will or wont break. Its hard to compare this to a car like Andy's(which is awesome btw), as his power delivery is very different and so is his cars setup. Before Jambo, providing its not smashing driveline components constantly, it'll get a cage, the new engine setup, and a C16 tune to really push it. I cant see the driveline ever sustaining a big rpm launch, but thats the beauty of having a car with topend, an aggressive launch isnt required.

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 Post subject: Re: ITSMAD UPDATE
PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 11:35 am 
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i Respect this car.. Awesome work guys!!

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 Post subject: Re: ITSMAD UPDATE
PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 11:40 am 
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What is the sheet metal going off the strut brace back to the firewall? Does that brace against the firewall? or is there something mounted under it?

Was the inlet manifold custom made? or is it an after market item for something else that has been adapted? looks awesome.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 11:47 am 
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8) *nods

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 Post subject: Re: ITSMAD UPDATE
PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 12:04 pm 
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What is the sheet metal going off the strut brace back to the firewall? Does that brace against the firewall? or is there something mounted under it?

Was the inlet manifold custom made? or is it an after market item for something else that has been adapted? looks awesome.


The sheet metal off the strut brace, just holds the fuses for the ecu etc.

The inlet manifold was custom made by Jamie, a long time ago. Interestingly, its very similar design to what was done for my evo using engine simulation software. It is one of the key factors in why this car makes power so well. Runner Length, Plenum Volume, Bellmouth angle, and inlet angle make a huge difference in how and where a car makes power. If you get it right, you wont lose any power down low, but with have gains generally from 4k up and huge gains in the higher rpm region.

Would be nice if more people took things on, instead of sticking to parts such as cultus intakes etc, as there are huge gains to be had. Its not just a swift thing, any 4 valve per cylinder engine, gains power in the same ways, SR20, 4G63 etc, its just that nobody seems to do it with the G13B.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 1:14 pm 
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Would be nice if more people took things on, instead of sticking to parts such as cultus intakes etc


Are you talking about people doing things like this :D rather than the stock parts as mentioned.


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 Post subject: Re: ITSMAD UPDATE
PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 1:36 pm 
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Thats an interesting setup. The individual throttle bodies is a nice idea, without seeing inside though, its hard to say. Certainly not what I meant by bellmouths. You wont see me doing that, but would be interesting to see the results. Running tight radius'd bellmouths at the entrance of the throttle bodies, with a correctly sized plenum would work alot better.

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 Post subject: Re: ITSMAD UPDATE
PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 4:42 pm 
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Thanks for the vid. I did notice at no point do u see this car running all fours. Who knows this could of been done via 2wd. Yeah i'm getting picky but this car has alot to live upto.

Alls these claims and so on. People not just me are gonna want solid proof. yeah its on the dyno and yeah i don't doubt it got that figure. But i never saw it do it in All Wheel Drive. No offence just merely stating a opinion as this is a open forum.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 5:13 pm 
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Teddy_Tool wrote:
Thanks for the vid. I did notice at no point do u see this car running all fours. Who knows this could of been done via 2wd. Yeah i'm getting picky but this car has alot to live upto.

Alls these claims and so on. People not just me are gonna want solid proof. yeah its on the dyno and yeah i don't doubt it got that figure. But i never saw it do it in All Wheel Drive. No offence just merely stating a opinion as this is a open forum.

Cheers Brad

Talk about being picky!!! Why the f*** would I say its in AWD, and run it in FWD. Dead set, how bout you come to the next dyno run, so next time you have something stupid to say, I can deal with it appropriately!!!

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Sorry for not conforming to the bullsh*t that has been constantly written on this forum about engine combinations that are mediocre at best. You complain about claims, only because you have been mislead into thinking it cant be done!.Picture is proof its at all four. I have been 100% honest in every aspect of this vehicle, since its been in our posession. Including the demise of the original engine, so if you have nothing constructive to say, dont!!

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 Post subject: Re: ITSMAD UPDATE
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No need to fire up mate he was just asking a valid question, which can now be answered.

But good to see shes up and running and nice results too :)

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 Post subject: Re: ITSMAD UPDATE
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Well its nice to see all the doubters coming out in support isn't it.

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 Post subject: Re: ITSMAD UPDATE
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RUNUTS pull ur bloody head in. I was simplying asking. As stated didn't see any proof. As most people are aware its possible to run all wheel drive cars in 2wd on dynos hence my vaild question. So before u get on blowing the s**t up about me. Take a long hard look at urself and some of the past things that have come from your camp in regards to claims. My question was done in a polite manner yet you come back with the most uncalled for reply.

For anyone that has only just started reading the forum you give a great first impression. As stated this car has alot ot live upto from its past. You get worse things then what i asked u mate.


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 Post subject: Re: ITSMAD UPDATE
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Teddy_Tool wrote:
RUNUTS pull ur bloody head in. I was simplying asking. As stated didn't see any proof. As most people are aware its possible to run all wheel drive cars in 2wd on dynos hence my vaild question. So before u get on blowing the sh*t up about me. Take a long hard look at urself and some of the past things that have come from your camp in regards to claims. My question was done in a polite manner yet you come back with the most uncalled for reply.

For anyone that has only just started reading the forum you give a great first impression. As stated this car has alot ot live upto from its past. You get worse things then what i asked u mate.


Cheers Brad


No, listen here. The question wasnt required, it was stated it was in awd, you challenged that. So basically you were calling us liars, in your subtle little way. It was a stupid remark, and was done just to stir the pot. Don't try to play innocent on it.

There are plenty of questionable things on here, and to be honest, I couldnt care less what impression it may give other people, as if they read, they'll see exactly what is said!!!

As I said previously, anything people want to know about it, they can ask. There are no secrets with this setup, and as I've said many times, the horsepower claims, that certain people doubt have always been achievable. The fact that other members of this forum, seem to follow misleading statements about component strength and engine combinations, is amusing to me more than anything.

The cars progress was posted here to inform and dispell the myths and rumours.

If you think I come across as harsh, well get over it. Thats how I am, I say it how it is, and if people cant handle it, dont read it. I'm not here to suck up to people, and I certainly wont support the uneducated bullshit that is constantly spread in here. For example, standard rod strength, amazing how cars such as Garndi's, Stufu, Zuboo's old car have survived on the rods that are so weak. No, this engine does not use stock rods, they were changed for this build due to the fact that this engine is going to be pushed well beyond what anyone on this forum has done before.

Now Teddy, if you have an issue, take it to PM.

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 Post subject: Re: ITSMAD UPDATE
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RUNUTS wrote:

If you think I come across as harsh, well get over it. Thats how I am, I say it how it is, and if people cant handle it, dont read it. I'm not here to suck up to people, and I certainly wont support the uneducated bullshit that is constantly spread in here. .



F'uck yes.

The thing is, this car was proven to make the power output back in the day, so there is no reason why it should be sus now..

Dyno sheets/runs/video's are there, so this is one car that doesn't have to bullshit to "claim" power figures.


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 Post subject: Re: ITSMAD UPDATE
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I think that we should try to use this as a simple Q&A thread for RUNUTS and be supportive of this car as Im sure a lot of time and development has been used..... 8)

Regardless of peoples personal issues on here...... the main focus of this thread is to witness the resurrection of a legendary car that has been given the chance to once again blow people's minds with its performance =D>

We all know the sh#t that has been flung, the myths and all the other mumbo jumbo....... but this is about the car.......

Actions will always speak louder than words...... 8)

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I think that we should try to use this as a simple Q&A thread for RUNUTS and be supportive of this car as Im sure a lot of time and development has been used..... 8)

Regardless of peoples personal issues on here...... the main focus of this thread is to witness the resurrection of a legendary car that has been given the chance to once again blow people's minds with its performance =D>

We all know the sh#t that has been flung, the myths and all the other mumbo jumbo....... but this is about the car.......

Actions will always speak louder than words...... 8)


Actions do speak louder than words , so we will see the action on the 6th of july...

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vid links???? im keen to see this beast on the dyno/running

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Mr. Focus wrote:
vid links???? im keen to see this beast on the dyno/running


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