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 Post subject: Re: Moke G13B conversion
PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2016 9:55 pm 
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Well that's a good sign. Tickle the timing and see how you go.

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 Post subject: Re: Moke G13B conversion
PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2016 7:46 am 
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some check to do:
* Firing is 1 3 4 2 going anticlockwise from 4 o'clock
* To start, dissy will be about middle of the adjustment range or to more closely set the timing, put ECU in diagnostic mode, spin the engine and set to 6 degrees BTDC with a timing light. Remove diagnostic link when done.
* Squirt some ether through the intake. If it fires up, you have a fuel problem.
** Did you check the condition of the bottom crank pulley keyway?
* Look at diagrams 6A-35, 6A-36 and 6A-37 - if they match when all the marks are lined up and No. 1 is at TDC - look at the cam lobes - No. 1 inlet lobes centre line will be facing inlet manifold at the rocker cover gasket surface and No. 1 exhaust lobe centres will be facing the exhaust side rocker cover gasket surface.
** Do a compression test - >200 PSI is really good, <160 no so good.

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 Post subject: Re: Moke G13B conversion
PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2016 9:45 am 
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86mk1gti wrote:
some check to do:
* Firing is 1 3 4 2 going anticlockwise from 4 o'clock
* To start, dissy will be about middle of the adjustment range or to more closely set the timing, put ECU in diagnostic mode, spin the engine and set to 6 degrees BTDC with a timing light. Remove diagnostic link when done.
* Squirt some ether through the intake. If it fires up, you have a fuel problem.
** Did you check the condition of the bottom crank pulley keyway?
* Look at diagrams 6A-35, 6A-36 and 6A-37 - if they match when all the marks are lined up and No. 1 is at TDC - look at the cam lobes - No. 1 inlet lobes centre line will be facing inlet manifold at the rocker cover gasket surface and No. 1 exhaust lobe centres will be facing the exhaust side rocker cover gasket surface.
** Do a compression test - >200 PSI is really good, <160 no so good.


Thanks for the comprehensive reply. I'm happy firing order is correct. Timing is as you suggest. Car did fire with ether but got some blowback. Crank keyway is perfect - I stripped everything back and fitted new timing belt - all ok and as per manual.

I'lll definitely do a compression test tomorrow.

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 Post subject: Re: Moke G13B conversion
PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2016 1:43 pm 
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:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
The car finally runs. Looks like it was an air lock in the fuel rail. All sorted and running well (apart from a squealing alternator which is getting hot and smoking - looks like I might need to find a replacement).

Here's a link to a video

https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=D1303C95EAC2EC10!5870&authkey=!AETVBZ2usSK4crw&ithint=video%2cmp4

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 Post subject: Re: Moke G13B conversion
PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2016 6:53 pm 
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Well - after 8months and 8 days the G13B powered Moke is back on the road again (albeit a little unofficially). I managed to get the remainder of the wiring finished off and did a couple of other little jobs that needed to be done. Then a quick spin round the block with the eldest as cameraman. The sound quality isn't the best but the car goes and sounds really good. The motor and box are really smooth. Absolutely love the 5th gear.

There's a few things that aren't quite right:

1. The front geometry is miles out. Tracking is somewhere near but caster needs some work.
2. The brakes could do with bleeding again but the booster has made a huge difference.
3. I need to fit a correct temp sender for the gauge as the Suzuki one gives a false reading.
4. The speedo needs recalibrating as its also miles out. Sort of ok to 60 but then reads very low.

Other than that, the car is already for compliance. I'll get on the phone tomorrow ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

I've attached a link to the video is below.

Cheers Adrian

https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=D ... ideo%2cmp4


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 Post subject: Re: Moke G13B conversion
PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2016 7:55 pm 
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Hi Mate,

I've been silently watching the progress on this car since you first posted. When I was a young bloke a guy in my suburb had one of these fitted with a modified Ford Escort RS 2000 engine and full running gear! Needless to say it killed pretty much everything else back then with its power-weight ratio.

Anyway, Congratulations on the successful build! =D> So many build threads (including mine) seem to go nowhere even after many promises to the contrary.

Question: In your video at around 00:19 another Moke just happens to go sailing by in the other direction. Now, I haven't seen even one of these in years let alone two at once. Was that a friend of yours perhaps? :wink:

Best of luck! :D

Cheers,

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 Post subject: Re: Moke G13B conversion
PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2016 8:49 pm 
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adriantillin wrote:
Well - after 8months and 8 days the G13B powered Moke is back on the road again (albeit a little unofficially). I managed to get the remainder of the wiring finished off and did a couple of other little jobs that needed to be done. Then a quick spin round the block with the eldest as cameraman. The sound quality isn't the best but the car goes and sounds really good. The motor and box are really smooth. Absolutely love the 5th gear.

There's a few things that aren't quite right:

1. The front geometry is miles out. Tracking is somewhere near but caster needs some work.
2. The brakes could do with bleeding again but the booster has made a huge difference.
3. I need to fit a correct temp sender for the gauge as the Suzuki one gives a false reading.
4. The speedo needs recalibrating as its also miles out. Sort of ok to 60 but then reads very low.

Other than that, the car is already for compliance. I'll get on the phone tomorrow ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

I've attached a link to the video is below.

Cheers Adrian

https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=D ... ideo%2cmp4


Thanks Drew ,

What are you part way through building?

There are half a dozen or so Mokes around Brizzy but I didn't recognise this one. Will have to do more searching.

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 Post subject: Re: Moke G13B conversion
PostPosted: Sat Jun 11, 2016 3:27 pm 
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Suzuki Moke got a wash today (first one in 9 months) ;D ;D ;D

Currently got the wheels and tyres from the black Moke fitted (as these are a bit more legal for the mod plating process).

Cheers Adrian

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 Post subject: Re: Moke G13B conversion
PostPosted: Sat Jun 11, 2016 4:04 pm 
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Car looks excellent mate! Keen to see how it performs!

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 Post subject: Re: Moke G13B conversion
PostPosted: Sat Jun 11, 2016 4:32 pm 
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Tassie_mk1 wrote:
Car looks excellent mate! Keen to see how it performs!


Thanks mate - early shakedown runs show promise. Certainly quicker than any A series engine I've ever had in a mini or moke (and loving the 5th gear).

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 Post subject: Re: Moke G13B conversion
PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 3:46 pm 
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My engineer popped round this morning and confirmed everything is now compliant with VSB14 Code LA2. He issued me with a Certificate of Modification and attached the blue modplate (see photo). :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

This afternoon, I've registered the changes with DTMR (which cost nothing :D ) and let my insurance company (Shannons) know. They've charged me an extra $34 annual premium for the twin cam engine swap (which includes upping the agree value from $16k to $20k). Very pleased with that outcome.

So the bottom line is MOK111 is 100% legal and ready for the road.

Cheers Adrian

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 Post subject: Re: Moke G13B conversion
PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 4:54 pm 
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Well done mate! I'm aching for that day with my build! Glad to see someone has got the job done and can enjoy their efforts! :) Hopefully it's a good weekend for a drive!

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 Post subject: Re: Moke G13B conversion
PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 8:58 pm 
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Very happy for you that my motor kit turned out to run well
You scared me when you couldn't start it
I was thinking like something isn't wired up right because it all ran perfect before removal

I'm glad you're happy with it all
Looks amazing


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 Post subject: Re: Moke G13B conversion
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Tassie_mk1 wrote:
Well done mate! I'm aching for that day with my build! Glad to see someone has got the job done and can enjoy their efforts! :) Hopefully it's a good weekend for a drive!


You'll get there mate

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 Post subject: Re: Moke G13B conversion
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GTIIII wrote:
Very happy for you that my motor kit turned out to run well
You scared me when you couldn't start it
I was thinking like something isn't wired up right because it all ran perfect before removal

I'm glad you're happy with it all
Looks amazing


Thanks Harry - engine and gearbox package is great. Running like a dream.

Cheers Adrian


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 Post subject: Re: Moke G13B conversion
PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2016 3:13 pm 
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adriantillin wrote:
GTIIII wrote:
Very happy for you that my motor kit turned out to run well
You scared me when you couldn't start it
I was thinking like something isn't wired up right because it all ran perfect before removal

I'm glad you're happy with it all
Looks amazing


Thanks Harry - engine and gearbox package is great. Running like a dream.

Cheers Adrian


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 Post subject: Re: Moke G13B conversion
PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2016 6:43 pm 
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adriantillin wrote:
This afternoon, I've registered the changes with DTMR (which cost nothing :D ) and let my insurance company (Shannons) know. They've charged me an extra $34 annual premium for the twin cam engine swap (which includes upping the agree value from $16k to $20k). Very pleased with that outcome.


I would be too! Shannons are really inconsistent with their valuations.

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 Post subject: Re: Moke G13B conversion
PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 7:18 am 
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Finally got round to rigging up a video camera in the Moke to record a longer clip with the 16v twin cam motor installed. Car is running really well with approx. 500kms under the belt. I also found some video compression and editing software (but its mucked about with the synchronisation of the audio). Sound quality not the best either as the camera is up on the roll bar in the wind - but you'll get the idea. Guess I wont be taking up film production any time soon (I'll stick to Moke renos).

https://1drv.ms/v/s!AhDswuqVPDDRrh6To8st80i4ZmAV

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 Post subject: Re: Moke G13B conversion
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Been a while since I had anything to report on the 16v Moke front (although the kms have been ticking up). That said, over the past couple of weeks I've been chipping away in the background with upgrades and things are just about ready for the rolling road.

I've fitted a bigger throttle body (60mm up from 45mm), bored out the inlet manifold plenum to 60mm, bored out the Air Flow Meter housing from 45mm to 49mm and relocated it at the air filter, fitted a DMW Motorsport hi-flow fuel rail, had the injectors, cleaned, tested and serviced, fitted an adjustable fuel pressure regulator (to allow for the necessary up in fuel pressure), fitted a Grp A chipped ECU and re-routed a bunch of fuel lines and electrical cables. Rather than read all the words, look at the pictures below (the 1st three are with the induction pipework removed, the 2nd three are with everything back in place).

Fingers crossed for a reasonable power boost - a similar set up in a modded Suzuki Swift made 107bhp at the wheels.

Cheers Adrian

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 Post subject: Re: Moke G13B conversion
PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 8:53 pm 
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MOKIII went in for the rolling road set-up this morning. After 90 mins of playing with fuel pressure and timing, the results are good. 101 Motorsport at Springwood did a great job and offered great value for money (thanks DMW Dave for the recommendation). We ended up raising the fuel pressure by a massive 28psi to 68psi at warm idle but that gave the necessary A/F ratio to avoid leaning out across the rev range. As you can see from the print out below, the G13B motor now makes 90bhp at the wheels (approx. 115bhp at the flywheel) and at a calculated 185kph :o.

The torque curve is also really good. Verun (owner) thought we might get a bit more but as the final run was at 8000rpm, we didn't want to push our luck at this point in time. I was secretly hoping for nearer 100bhp atw but really happy with the driveability and improvement over the standard ECU and throttle body. After all, it is up 20bhp from standard G13B spec ;D

Big smiles on the drive back.

Cheers Adrian

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