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 Post subject: Swift 1.6 GLX 16v SOHC - Project
PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2014 4:52 pm 
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Hi guys, well, here is my current project.

I want to take this project as far as possible.
I'm not the one who knows the most, so I would greatly appreciate advice from all you guys.


My actual specs:

Swift 1.6 GLX / Year 1993
Model SF416
Engine G16A
16 valves, SOHC
Compression ratio: 9,5 :1
Gear Ratio (end): 3,72:1

Quad Carbs, Mikuni 41mm
MSD Ignition system 6AL-2
MSD Coil Blaster 3
NGK Iridium Spark plugs
ACCEL 8.8mm Spark plug wires
K&N Air Filters Dual Flange x 2
Headers 4-2-1
2.2" Exhaust system

Yokohama S-Drive 195/45r15

So, I want to make it faster, since I use it for local legal races. Small tournaments, which are getting bigger. Competition is getting stronger within the 1600cc category.

I Have a few ideas to keep going with the project, but I'm not sure, where to start.. or how to continue it. Here is where your knowledge will be very well taken :)

I'll be posting images. Lets start with the car itself.

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This picture was taken in my last Race.
There were 2 Races, I was 1st place on the first race and got 2nd place on the second race :)


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Here I am hanging out with some friends...
On this picture the Yellow Fog light covers are a montage, i was trying to see how they would look, since my Friend
druiddave gave me those Fog Light covers! and they are on the way! I can't wait to get them and install them to complete the look just like in the photo.


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Engine!

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MSD, COIL, K&N, etc...a few parts which I have currently installed.


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This is my car, when I am not racing..... no decals and no sponsors, even though, I'm liking the current decals from the last sponsors. So I still have them on it.

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Another pic.. no racing pic. haha


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2014 5:20 pm 
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Lets remember I have a G16A engine, I have read a lot about it and I know G13B engine has great reputation, but I'm not planning on switching engine, or replacing DOHC head from G13B, I know some would consider that idea. :) which is great though.. but I wanna stick with the full G16A.

I firmly want to take the SOHC from the G16A to its very limit, see what it really can do. Torque is great on this baby.

I have race against G13B with megaSquirt EFI, racing camshafts, and have to tell you, my engine has the same performance, with my current setup which. And let's remember..
Internals remain Stock.

This is why I have good hopes with this engine. OH, yes.. I'm going Naturally Aspirated.. not considering turbo for this.

So this is what I would like to do next:

A. Full Race camshaft and valves kit.
----Very tempting! Image


B. Crown Wheel and Pinion Image
----(my current final end ratio is 3.72, part of this option is to increase it.. up to 4.9 even 5.2, this I know will be a subject to talk about)

For now I want to pick between those 2 options.... since I have to work on a budget.. as I said somewhere... I'll do all this improvements slowly, but where I would like some help., is to pick the best option to continue with, considering cost and performance gain.

Those options and images are from SuzukiRD.com, I'm not saying I have to buy that from them, but since is the first time I gonna attempt to modify internals on my engine.. they are my first choice, but I'm open to other suppliers.

Anyway, lets see how this develops!

any opinions, ideas and suggestions are more than welcome!!!

Regards to all!!! :D



PS. I have a friend who don't believe my engine is a G16A... he says is a G16B, i have no idea why, but here is the proof haha
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2014 5:27 pm 
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And, a little video from my last race: (This was the race where I ended 2nd place)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLc5xl3RluI

Here I am racing against a GTI 1.3 DOHC with megaSquirt EFI and racing camshafts.

Lets remember the GTI has a final gear of 4.1... I have 3.72 final gear, and revving up to 6000-6500 which is the maximum ideal for the stock g16a.

You can see here how close we are in performance.
I think is a good reference point.

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Very nice!! Love the G16 engines. They make good torque.
Looking at some of the pictures of the corners, looks like you would see good results in stiffer suspension to reduce the bodyroll.
Have you got polyurethane bushes yet?

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 Post subject: Re: Swift 1.6 GLX 16v SOHC - Project
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1600GTI wrote:
Very nice!! Love the G16 engines. They make good torque.
Looking at some of the pictures of the corners, looks like you would see good results in stiffer suspension to reduce the bodyroll.
Have you got polyurethane bushes yet?



Good EYE man! definitely I need race springs and better suspension, I still have stock one! not good! I feel like I'm in a boat when cornering!

OH and is the first time I hear about polyurethane bushes If you can tell me more about it, that's something that needs to get upgraded. NO doubt.


PS. I do share your love for G16 engines, I saw your Baleno Racecar thread! totally support you. :)

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Might be worth looking into a 06-12 swift sport gearbox if you can get them in your country. They can be a little pricey, but much better gearing for what you are doing.

Just need to swap the belhousing and either use the g16a diff centre or modify the swift sport one to fit the speedo drive.


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just camshaft from some guy in Canada forgot his username on www.teamswift.com will be enough
to make full use of the rest of the kit like lightweight retainers you need to revv this engine higher
which it is not usually made for unless you at least replace the rod bolts for extra security.
Better rods will also be a good investment and tuned for E85 will give a leap in performance.

I actually beat the daylights out of my g16b carry on a daily basis and it just keeps asking for more.
Mine is a later Baleno G16B and love its torque and response.


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d wrote:
just camshaft from some guy in Canada forgot his username on http://www.teamswift.com will be enough
to make full use of the rest of the kit like lightweight retainers you need to revv this engine higher
which it is not usually made for unless you at least replace the rod bolts for extra security.
Better rods will also be a good investment and tuned for E85 will give a leap in performance.

I actually beat the daylights out of my g16b carry on a daily basis and it just keeps asking for more.
Mine is a later Baleno G16B and love its torque and response.

Is that 3-tech Performance Suprf1y?

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Not sure one of those guys :D


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pictureshowman wrote:
d wrote:
just camshaft from some guy in Canada forgot his username on http://www.teamswift.com will be enough
to make full use of the rest of the kit like lightweight retainers you need to revv this engine higher
which it is not usually made for unless you at least replace the rod bolts for extra security.
Better rods will also be a good investment and tuned for E85 will give a leap in performance.

I actually beat the daylights out of my g16b carry on a daily basis and it just keeps asking for more.
Mine is a later Baleno G16B and love its torque and response.

Is that 3-tech Performance Suprf1y?

Yes, that's the guy...

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 23, 2014 10:23 am 
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d wrote:
just camshaft from some guy in Canada forgot his username on http://www.teamswift.com will be enough
to make full use of the rest of the kit like lightweight retainers you need to revv this engine higher
which it is not usually made for unless you at least replace the rod bolts for extra security.
Better rods will also be a good investment and tuned for E85 will give a leap in performance.

I actually beat the daylights out of my g16b carry on a daily basis and it just keeps asking for more.
Mine is a later Baleno G16B and love its torque and response.




Great advice! thanks a lot, I think that will be my first option!

So, the camshaft from Suprf1y is a really good one? or what would be the difference, between his and SuzukiRD's?

Thanks to all for supply the name from the guy! :)

Cheers!

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The main difference will be price as SuzukiRD will cost more.

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pictureshowman wrote:
The main difference will be price as SuzukiRD will cost more.

And the fact that it might be totally unsuitable for your type of racing, short events with standing starts with stock gearing will not benefit from a big cam cam that only makes power from 5k-7k

Mike has 3 profiles listed for the 1.3/1.6 sohc engine, do some reading and research first... then ask him what profile he recommends for your type of racing, he may well have other profiles not listed.
http://teamswift.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=21867


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I just watched a bit of your video

It seems you have an under steer and gearing problem more so than a power problem.

The gearing would be my first choice.

Is an LSD an option?

Urethane bushes will help stop unwanted movement in the pivot points of your suspension. They are simple improvement.

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Nice car mate

you really should poly all the bush's and get a set of shocks and springs before attacking the engine.


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Allright!


So, I will do this first:

A. Suspension
- SuperPro Poly Bushing kit.
- Koni Shocks
- SuzukiRD Lowering springs.

B. Gearing
- This part seems hard to solve. I don't know which direction to take.
- I wrote SuzukiRD about their Crown Wheel and Pinion, they said 825 dollars in any ratio I want. I don't know if that would be enough, or if I should consider gearing from Swift sport 06/12... which I have no idea where to get haha.
- Also cost will determine which way to go on this part.
- More research needed for sure :)

C. I will certainly get in contact with suprf1y to talk about the Camshaft, and do a more in depth research as advised.


This sounds like a more logical order to follow development of my project.

You guys really helped clearing my mind on this build, Thanks a lot for the replies, I cannot be more grateful with all the suggestions.!

Cheers mates! :D!

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SOBIL wrote:
Is an LSD an option?


Its definitely an option.. not yet though, due it's cost.
Looks like SuzukiRD has one for g13b, I don't' know if they can make it for g16a, but I haven't done a serious research about it.

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....Continuing the project!!

I just got this ones today!...

Vogtland Sport Springs!

... shocks and bushings next!

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If you are doing your suspension up, it would benefit with a set of semi slicks to aid traction and grip. Guess it depends on availability of funds.

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