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 Post subject: Re: Back in the game! My Mk3...
PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 12:55 pm 
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At full compression/ up travel is there enough slack in the brake line?



There certainly is at full travel down (pic's taken at full travel down) so i'd say there is. Despite the lack of length they still had a fair bit of slack, just not enough to get into the usual mounting points ;)

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 1:19 pm 
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Hi Mate,

Not wanting to sound like "Negative Nancy" here, but are you sure these lines are street legal? I had a bad experience a while ago with some lines I imported. It cost me some of my hard-earned! I then got set straight on the requirements by a local WA brake specialist who did me up a set on the spot and also fitted them.

(Taken from a post of mine in an old thread that explains the requirements to be street legal ADR approved.)

So I guess that now raises the question- what exactly is it that distinguishes a street-legal ADR approved braided brake line from older style non-legal braided lines?

The key difference is the fitment of a specially formulated Teflon-based insert that slips around the braided line where it connects to the end-fitting. This insert prevents the braided line from tearing near the end-fitting while being subjected to ADR whip testing. Non-legal braided brake lines typically use a rigid aluminium insert that cuts into the braided line during this testing.
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Also note the embossed 'stamp' on the teflon collar. This stamp must be present for the lines to be ADR approved as it identifies the brake line manufacturer. Additionally, you will also receive a certificate from the installer (that both you and they have to sign) to keep in your vehicle at all times. This is another legal requirement and is helpful if the local law enforcers take an interest and want to defect you.


Unless my poor old eyes are failing me (which might be the case! 8-[), I cannot for the life of me see the stamped teflon collar on any of your lines. Yes, they may be ADR approved, but they might not be quite suitable for street use. Unless of course, you are going to be purely racing the car?

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 Post subject: Re: Back in the game! My Mk3...
PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 1:25 pm 
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Good progress mate!! Makes me miss it :lol:

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 1:36 pm 
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Thanks Drew, from what i can tell HEL are an Aussie company and when placing the order you have to specify if you don't want ADR approved lines (opt out sort of thing) i chose ADR appoved when i ordered them, and like you i didn't see tge ADR tag but, from prior experience with the volvo's braided lines, they can be passed, down here at least. But i was going to check why they had no tags when i contacted them about the rear lines anyway.

Always happy for feedback/thoughts :)

Edit: they do have a little teflon tag saying HEL not sure if they have a number on them though, will have to look again when i knock off

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:26 pm 
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But without restraint they will bash on anything they touch, that is why they put mounts on them.

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 Post subject: Re: Back in the game! My Mk3...
PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:38 pm 
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But without restraint they will bash on anything they touch, that is why they put mounts on them.


Fair call. I did cable tie the rhs one to a smooth section above the existing mounting point on with plenty of slack either side. As for the left it seemed to have enough clearance and not a lot of sideways movement in it (only vertical) doe to the way it fastens to the caliper. So hopefully it should be fine

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these will need to be secured better than a cable tie. the stainless braid will cut the cable tie and unbeknown to you will begin to wear away on the rear arms causing brake failure and death. It bugs me these companies sell stuff to suit a car when clearly one of the main and fundamental aspects is missing propper and secure mounting.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 10:00 pm 
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these will need to be secured better than a cable tie. the stainless braid will cut the cable tie and unbeknown to you will begin to wear away on the rear arms causing brake failure and death. It bugs me these companies sell stuff to suit a car when clearly one of the main and fundamental aspects is missing propper and secure mounting.

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Yeah I did think about that which is why I put the rhs one on top of the rear arm on a smooth section so that when/if the tie lets go its not knocking/rubbing on anything. With the lhs the way its in there it shouldn't hit anything from what I can tell.

Its not great not having the stock mounting points and bushes usable but then again I've never had a set of braided lines that used them. If I was going to use the mounting points for the rhs (which is the only one I would) then I would stick some rubber (old window rubber?) around the sharp edges of the mounting point to smooth it out. But I don't think its needed, but time will tell.

Slight update, also got a couple more packages in the mail... Some D Link bushes from Hertz front and rear. I'll only need the fronts but the rears will keep. Also my 20mm Rear Swaybar.
Just a note with the sway bar. If you're looking to buy it new I got mine on ebay from racingperformanceonline when it landed the receipt is the same company that owns whiteline Red Ranger so if you want to buy direct but save a few $ look them up on ebay I got my rear one brand new for $195 delivered :)

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 1:31 pm 
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the braided lines I used on the rear of mine had the mounting fittings...of course only one was mounted the right way around to be useable. I cut the mount of the arm to reverse it and rewelded it. Dont forget one of the reasons to secure it is to minimise it snaging on foriegn debris you may run over. If your happy its safe and secure go for it.
As for my fronts as I had to adapt the aftermarket calipers I made my braided lines. I used the mounting fitting from a standard rubber hose, removed the old rubber hose and placed it on the new hose. easy peasy...though not if your ends are already swaged.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 4:56 pm 
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I was thinking about using the old mounting for the rhs but i'll see how it all goes once i've got it ready for rego. I've still got a lot to do between now and then.

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 Post subject: Re: Back in the game! My Mk3...
PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 11:44 pm 
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ALso got a couple more parcels today, a "tekkie" underbody brace from Waylow :D and the all important VRS kit from ebay. Now to actually get into the shed and fit this stuff! I've still got the short shifter from crizby and the mounts from Fyrestorm but I'm getting there :P

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Don't fit the front swaybar until you've done the short shifter, you'll have to drop the exhaust to get it out. The swaybar will just get in the way.

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 Post subject: Re: Back in the game! My Mk3...
PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 10:45 pm 
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Just an update... Firstly I habe a shiny new short shifter from Ozmotorsport (Crizby) whichis sure looking the goods, can't wait to fit it up. :twisted:

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On a side note a good find and a not so good one tonight when I went to fit up the front brake lines. Turns out I already did fit the fronts... To the rear #-o which explains a lot! On the plus side I foudn the ADR markings on the on lines, they are on a clear teflon rim in the same place as the one Drevils posted earlier.

I've emailed HEL to see if I just ordered the wrong set or if they just don't make them for the GTi so I'll guess we'll see what happens. Hopefully it was just the wrong set and I can spring for the postage to send back the unfitted lines and to send down the right ones for the rear. [-o<

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 Post subject: Re: Back in the game! My Mk3...
PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 10:09 pm 
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Okay so an update for those watching this space about the brake lines... I got an email today from HEL they are going to update their parts list with the correct lines for a GTi and also make me up the correct rear lines and send them down to me. I just had to measure the old lines so they knew how long to make the replacements. To be sure they knew what they were making I added the pic of the braided front line next to the OEM rear so they can clearly see what's needed. :D

So fingers crossed I'll have the new rears next week sometime and they should fit a treat :)

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Good to hear they're able to offer a solution.

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Small update... Managed to get some shed time tonight so I fitted up my new short shifter. It wasn't rocket science but then again it wasn't simple as I was working pretty much nose to exhaust pipe (cold thankfully!) laying on cold concrete, but I got there in the end :P

For anyone who wants to know the shift is MUCH shorter now, think how far a normal shifter moves to go to neutral and that's about (slightly longer) the distance between gears! :shock: How this works on the road? We'll have to wait and see.

So one job down, about a dozen more to go :D

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Oh and a final note, my swaybar brackets and mounting gear are on their way! A BIG thanks to Fyrestorm for those!!! =D>

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Okay so I got the new lines for the rears yesterday and fitted them all up. They only had one mount each (instead of two) but I'm happy with them. They fitted nicely and once the fronts were removed from the rear on the car :oops: they worked a treat up front.

I'd just like to say HEL were easy to deal with and had no issues at all making me the right rear lines for no charge at all.(anyone interested in some Cino braided rear lines? :wink: )

The lines are ADR approved, braided steel, coated in telfon then coated in PVC so they are easy to handle, shouldn't rust or wear from what I can tell.

I'm not sure they have the GTi specific lines on their site but if you're after a set contact them through their site.

http://www.helperformance.com.au

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Just a word of warning, dont run the braided line through the E clip mount unprotected as it will wear through quickly. Mount it in rubber or fix appropriately so it is insulated from vibration and abrasion. Perhaps a grommet can be adapted?

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While you are at it why dont you degrease it all and treat the parts with some new paint?

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I was thinking with the extra e clip mont i might just butcher the old lines for their mount and go from there. It shouldn't be too hard with a good stanley knife.

As for a degrease and paint... My time is limited at the minute so i'm keen to just get it fixed up and registered again. More detail work can come later if i decide to get the smaller detail items sorted :)

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