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 Post subject: Re: M18 in a mk3 project
PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 7:40 am 
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Soul -try a search on brake pads theres been plenty of discussion over the years.

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 Post subject: Re: M18 in a mk3 project
PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:40 am 
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Awesome!! 8)
I can't wait to see how well it goes on the dyno with the Adaptronic when fully tuned.

My ongoing refinement of my Adaptronics tune is seeing better than standard NA fuel economy now and that is with the boost. :lol:

The key to getting a great tune with the Adaptronic or any aftermarket ECU really is to have as short a vacuum line to the MAP sensor as possible. (less delay)

It makes me laugh when I see ECU's with built in MAP sensors now.


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 Post subject: Re: M18 in a mk3 project
PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:42 am 
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itsdamo wrote:
It makes me laugh when I see ECU's with built in MAP sensors now.


Why is that?

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 Post subject: Re: M18 in a mk3 project
PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:48 am 
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[YLD80Y] wrote:
itsdamo wrote:
It makes me laugh when I see ECU's with built in MAP sensors now.


Why is that?


As I said above to get a really good tune you need as short a vacuum line as possible between map sensor and engine to minimise delay.
When a ECU with built in map sensor is fitted inside the cabin there is usually a long vacuum line run to it. (unless a new hole has been punched in firewall) and the result is a tune that is always poor no matter how hard you try... they usually have to mask the delay issue with more fuel everywhere down low thus economy, driveability and transient throttle response suffers.


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 Post subject: Re: M18 in a mk3 project
PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 2:01 pm 
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Fair enough. I asked because my MicroTech has a built-in MAP sensor and a 60cm length of hose running to it, with a baffle chamber about half way along. I did have it set up with a 30cm hose and no baffle chamber, but found that the intake was too 'pulsey' to get a decent tune.

So like most things, what works for one motor doesn't work for every motor. ;)

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 Post subject: Re: M18 in a mk3 project
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[YLD80Y] wrote:
Fair enough. I asked because my MicroTech has a built-in MAP sensor and a 60cm length of hose running to it, with a baffle chamber about half way along. I did have it set up with a 30cm hose and no baffle chamber, but found that the intake was too 'pulsey' to get a decent tune.

So like most things, what works for one motor doesn't work for every motor. ;)


True, the Adaptronic has onboard circuitry to filter the MAP sensor signal so pulsing and such is minimised... thus a short vacuum hose in Adaptronic world is more critical than it may be with other ECU's that don't have the filtering.


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 Post subject: Re: M18 in a mk3 project
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WOW! Fantastic Dave :) the engine looks even more fitting than the g13b! very tidy conversion. will be very interesting to see performance figures (final dyno figures, 1/4mile time etc)
Keep up the good work! =D>

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How's this one going Dave? =P~

Any more progress? [-o<

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Well I received my Inovate LC1 wide band sensor so plugged that into the adaptronic and set in self learn mode and went for a six hour drive,the tune is pretty damn good now,but I still need to get on a dyno in order to set up the vvt control,I have a good idea where to start with this but need the dyno to show torque figures.
The rest of the car has been fitted out with a really nice std gti interior and sound system.
Ive been a bit too busy to work on this one but when I get back from the Homebush race meet this will be priority.
The car drives beutifully with the big cc making a real load of tourqe down low ,accelerates very quickly from low revs even though its only running 7psi at this stage.

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Awesome!
Any hassles getting a 1800cc turbo conversion registered?


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 Post subject: Re: M18 in a mk3 project
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Certainly no problem in qld ,has already been mod plated for the M18turbo conversion with no questions asked.Also mod plated for the brake upgrade,half cage, at the same time.

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 Post subject: Re: M18 in a mk3 project
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Wow!
I need to move to Qld. 8)


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 Post subject: Re: M18 in a mk3 project
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VVT control function now sorted and working well,its pretty amazing how much difference the vvt makes, the suzuki workshop manual says there is up to 60 degrees of travel on the inlet cam timing,at the moment Ive set it up with 35degrees as a starting point.
Took the car for another 2hrs drive today in rapid learn mode with the VVT working and the car runs really good,easily lights up the tyres in the first three gears!! :oops:
will get it back to the dyno next week and do the higher load and rpm stuff then a power run :P

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Good news, did Adaptronic come up with a fix?

Keen to see what this puts out.. dyno before the end of the week! :D


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 Post subject: Re: M18 in a mk3 project
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Adaptronic have been very helpful trying to sort out a electrical interference problem and this was tracked down to the adaptronic ignition coil driver wires getting feedback,they have built a new adaptronic ecu with more noise filtering built in to eliminate this problem.
Unfortunately it wont be dynoed this week,I am off to Homebush race meeting tomorrow until monday arvo, but it will be dynoed early next week.

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loving this project, but I especially love the disguised oil catch can, it's so perfect! haha.


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 Post subject: Re: M18 in a mk3 project
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The M engine looks to have less width than the g13b.
A very clean and aspiring project.


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 Post subject: Re: M18 in a mk3 project
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The week is running out :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: M18 in a mk3 project
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Should be dynoing today, if not early next week.

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 Post subject: Re: M18 in a mk3 project
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he is a busy man, he was doing more important things yesterday, like racing around lakeside all day :lol:

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