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 Post subject: Baleno turbo coming soon...
PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 12:01 pm 
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Hello all,
Well I dropped the little Baleno at Suzitech on Saturday for it's 3 - 4 week operation.

http://www.suzitech.com/blue.htm

It will be getting the Suzitech turbo kit much the same as Bosko from CluBaleno.
He was a pioneer in that his car was the Suzitech guinea pig and my car will be getting much of what he got the 2nd time around or after much development the 1st time around. Much respect must go to Bosko becuase of this.

Apart from the ins and out of the basic turbo install I am getting a brand new Garett T25 turbo... Normally due to cost constraints they fit a recoed / 2nd hand turbo.
* New heavy duty clutch and clutch cable. (gearbox oil / treatment)
* Suzitech front upper strut brace with engine steady bracket. (painted red and fitted with red bushes)
* Whiteline front Sway bar is being fitted (I already have the rear one done)
* I am having the CV joints repacked.
* I will be getting silver pipe work (the same as Boskos) but I will be getting red silicone joiners and a red uni filter.

* I already fitted my vacuum / boost gauge prior to it going to Suzitech.

I have removed and sold my wood rimmed steering wheel and reinstalled the original as the car could not be engineered without a padded steering wheel. I may look at getting a padded leather one at a later stage.

I am looking forward to it. 8)


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Which Baleno are you turboing, a G16 or J18??

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Judging by his sig, a '00 GL, making it a G16B.

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yes it is the G16B


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I'm curious about what sort of PSI it will be running, and what engine management system you're going to install?

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I believe it will be approx 6-7psi as this is very close to the duty cycle limit of the standard injectors.

It will use a rising rate fuel pressure regulator and higher volume fuel pump to replace the original.

Boskos car used a electric fuel cut defender in conjunction with the standard map sensor (map sensor output upset ecu when it saw positive boost pressure)

I believe with my car Suzitech are going to change to a different map sensor that is not upset by positive pressures negating the need for a fuel cut defender. (I believe)

Beyond that it remains with the standard ecu… standard compression, internals etc.

I am told the factory fuel rail is not too restrictive in the Baleno as it is in some Gti's… the main power restriction is the injectors.

However, from what I was told Boskos car has gone a level beyond what I am having done.
He has had the factory fuel rail modified and has fitted Swift GTi injectors… I am led to believe even with his car running different injectors nothing has changed to the factory engine management and it now runs 8psi as a maximum while retinaing acceptable air/fuel ratios. I think he has well and truly exhausted the scope of the standard ecu.

I did go for a ride in his car while at Suzitech and it did go well… The Swift Gti injectors into a Baleno was something that I thought was odd but they seem to give a bit more in this application.… I did notice his car didn't idle perfectly… I personally am happy to keep the lower boost level and standard injectors… I would rather change the ecu before going to bigger injectors.

I expect with retaining the standard injectors mine will idle ok..

I know the rising rate regulator solution for on boost fuelling is very crude… but it is all to a cost and is only a starting point… In a low boost application it works acceptably.
I may look at something else afterwards if it is needed… either fitting an aftermarket ecu or piggy back…

The results even with this set up are quite impressive… I know with adjustments to fuelling and ignition it could reap much more… but on the flipside if you do wind the boost up I am sure the Balenos standard bottom end will get sad.

So, yes it is a less than optimum setup but it is to a cost… and for the cost it is very impressive. I think.


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Okay, so the next question is, what is the cost. ;)

Sorry, I should explain the reason I am asking is for a possible turbo Baleno project close to home. I want to collect a bit of info to work out what the best options are.

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Working off memory... EDIT *SORRY I HAD IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME*

For the turbo install excluding clutch it is between $4600 - $5100 depending on exact things you specify... eg. type of coating on pipes and so on.
The heavy duty clutch including fitting accounts for about an extra $550.
add another $295 for the front upper strut brace
keep adding for the little extras i am having done... fit front sway bar, repack cv's.

I gave them a cheque for $5K and will fix up the balance at the end.


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yes it is the G16B
just curious, as in your sig you also own a 96 Suzuki Baleno GTX. I have a J20 lying around and was looking at doing the turbo thing on that, but not a lot of info around on how strong the J series engines are.
Akil owns a turboed G16B Baleno in Perth and he has basically kept everything standard except the injectors which needed upgrading (late model WRX fitted straight in) and he runs an E-manage piggyback to control everything. It still needs a final tune, but was putting out close to 130HP at the wheels at 7lbs.

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well i did own a 96 gtx baleno.
the dates on the left indicate when i owned each car. :wink:
I have only ever owned one car at any given time... unless of course i count my wife's car but that is not on the list of MY cars. :lol:

Thanks for the info on Ian's injectors I knew he had different injectors but i was not aware that he had wrx injectors.

The J18A and J20A are a good engine(s) and as far as i know are far more durable than the G series engines and gearboxes.

The J20A as used in the Oz spec Vitara is simply a bored out J18A with only real differences being the ECU and compression ratio. (9.8:1 for J18A and 9.5:1 for J20A)
As far as I am aware everything else on them is identical and interchangeable.

There have been stories of a few people in the US who have put in turbo charged J18A / J20A into their Balenos... That would make for a kick arse vehicle.


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itsdamo wrote:
Thanks for the info on Ian's injectors I knew he had different injectors but i was not aware that he had wrx injectors.


Sorry about that dude I thought I included that in my e-mail :oops:

They need to be MY03/04 injectors :wink:

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Light at end of the tunnel is approaching... hopefully my car will be ready tomorrow. :)

A full report and photos will be forthcoming thereafter. 8)


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Took a bit longer than 3-4 weeks ay? I certainly hope the price didn't blow out on you.

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yeah, well unfortunately it wasn't started as quickly as I had hoped. It sat there for 3-4 weeks or so before being started due to their workload and also one of the main guys taking a few weeks of leave.

The price shouldn't change.


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Ahh fair enough. Good to hear its back in your hands though. 8)

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Well I got the car back yesterday afternoon...
I must say I am very impressed. 8)
The workmanship is simply second to none.
The car is currently only set to around 4.5pounds boost and mixtures are on the safer side of rich just till new turbo gets some miles on it... after which it will go back and be retuned and boost wound up to approx 7psi.

Even as it stands I am incredibly impressed with the performance and torque of it... boost comes on quickly at only 2000rpm and it makes it a totally different car to drive.

I will take some pics with the digital camera soon.
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Can I come for a drive :lol:

Are Suzitech making up a turbo for the 1.8??

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suzukiboyoz wrote:
Are Suzitech making up a turbo for the 1.8??


I was at suzitech last weekend and there's a 1.8 GTX there now being turbo'd

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