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 Post subject: Re: Rover K-series liners into G13B
PostPosted: Sat Mar 15, 2014 9:08 pm 
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steel main cap to be fitted


who does the mains caps in steel? I never thought this is a requirement for a g13b over a properly made mains girdle like Blake has on his g16b.


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 Post subject: Re: Rover K-series liners into G13B
PostPosted: Sat Mar 15, 2014 9:59 pm 
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d,

No, I'm skimming top of main cap and fit tool steel to bolt down.
Johnny who has G13B +20" has 370bhp with 9.2:1 so I was thinking for long life!
Do you think I don't need to do that?

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 Post subject: Re: Rover K-series liners into G13B
PostPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2014 8:43 am 
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Quick update, got all up and runing. Had one small issue one the rolling roadwith the head gasket giveing up before the last run but going well before that looking like 165 + bhp so happy now just waiting on a new head gasket to be made and all should be good.


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 Post subject: Re: Rover K-series liners into G13B
PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 7:00 am 
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Hi,

So I have finally managed to get some cash ready to do more work on my spare engine block.
My 1st engine block is now gone to good friend Jerry for his Mini estate AWD project for testing.

This engine block will have Rover K-series liners, liquid metal grouting and CNC machined block guard.
I hope this engine will be good enoguh for 30+psi but I will be just running 25psi. I'm doing this for reliability with extra boost just for fun. This engine is for my mk1 Gti AWD turbo project Jerry is building it for me. So it will be finished while I'm still building my Mini with G13B :lol: !
Here is a photo of initial machining after alloy wheel cleaner.
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 Post subject: Re: Rover K-series liners into G13B
PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 8:56 am 
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Hi,

So while I get more liquid metal, my machinist Bob has been busy with other bits.
He has made my liners 84mm at the top and rest is same diameter to slide it down easier once he has machined the block.
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 Post subject: Re: Rover K-series liners into G13B
PostPosted: Sat Sep 13, 2014 9:22 pm 
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Hi,

I went to check my engine work progress.
They managed to fill engine grouting but not grout. They used liquid metal instead.
This liquid metal takes while to cure to full strength as I have to add thiiner to thin it down to pour better.

Thery have added too much but we can machine it once cured so that is easy to fix.
You can see what I mean here below!
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Next week will be taking out old liner and bore it out to take modified Rover K-series liners!

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Atchi


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 Post subject: Re: Rover K-series liners into G13B
PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:43 pm 
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Hi,geting on a bit better now had another problem with loosing compression again after the first run with the o rings installed but after removeing the head for another time I seen it was down to me not fitting them correctly so had another go and looks better so will see how it goes now this time.


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 Post subject: Re: Rover K-series liners into G13B
PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2014 2:52 am 
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Hi,

I visited machine shop today.
They have started to machine out OEM liners.
It is already fitted with a block guard by the way....
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The machinist told me that bore is not evenly placed and he is using CNC machine to bore it out to make sure it is accurate.

Once he fit liners, oil return from turbo and oil squirters to be made.

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Atchi


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 Post subject: Re: Rover K-series liners into G13B
PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2014 8:15 am 
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How much has to be taken out for the rover liners to be fitted?

Also are they low spots in the bore where there are no machine marks?

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 Post subject: Re: Rover K-series liners into G13B
PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2014 8:33 am 
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Hi,

What it has there is that you can see ribs of cast iron which are not in the centre at all.

Rover liners are floating liners which means that it will not need full surface support of ali.
In Rover engine, they are good for 30 psi.

I think liners are 81.3mm and it will clean up by 81.5mm. So there will be only slight grooves.

I hope it answers your questions.

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 Post subject: Re: Rover K-series liners into G13B
PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2014 6:10 pm 
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bore 80.00mm
flange 87.50mm
wid 50.050mm
outside dis 84.10mm
len 129.50mm

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/271600494482 ... 1423.l2649

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 Post subject: Re: Rover K-series liners into G13B
PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2014 7:02 pm 
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That's for 1.6/1.8 80mm bore.

Liners are weaker due to cheaper material used and bigger outer diameter than the one I have.

The one I have is for 1.1 and 1.4 75mm bore.
I should have said 82.1mm diameter and currently 81.3mm.
I hope it will clean up nice and fit them neatly.

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 Post subject: Re: Rover K-series liners into G13B
PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2016 8:15 am 
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Hi,

My build is too slow and my engine block is still at machinist.
This is due to himbuilding his retirement present for himself 2 years ago....

But there is a good news.
I have entrusted similar build to a younger builder who want 400 Bhp from his little Swift.
His builder is Ian who has MAD Cortina so he is in good hand.

I hope we can finally see result with Vitara pistons, dowels and high boost.

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Atchi


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 Post subject: Re: Rover K-series liners into G13B
PostPosted: Sun Mar 27, 2016 12:21 am 
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Hi,

Just as atchi explained, i am building a turbo swift very simlar to his build. I will be using k series liners and vitara pistons. However i will not be using a block gaurd or jb weld, insted i will be using dowels. The plan is to run 30 psi eventualy. I will be using ycp vitara pistons as i have heard these have took up to 40psi without any issues on d16 engines. The engine is being built this month and will be running 22psi, should be 320-40 at the fly wheel. This is untill i upgrade my turbo. Currently running a garrett gt25 hybrid ball bearing turbo. Hopefully will see good result and a reliable car once it is finnish

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 Post subject: Re: Rover K-series liners into G13B
PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 6:23 am 
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Engine has gone into be built today, will post results in two weeks time on how the car drives and runs

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 Post subject: Re: Rover K-series liners into G13B
PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2016 7:38 am 
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Hi,

I got my engine block buck from my machinist.
I was hoping to get it liners already fitted but Bob wants to retire so that's OK.

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All I need now is to have either dry ice or liquid Nitrogen to cool down my liners.
Watch this space, I will get it fitted and will be built soon.... I think I have saying that for last 3 years!

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 Post subject: Re: Rover K-series liners into G13B
PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2016 11:18 pm 
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Hi,

So I got my block back from bob and entrusted fitment of liners to Jimmy.
He knew a freind who can get hold of liquid Nitrogen :shock: .

Bob said you need to put block in oven for 1 hours.. 220degree C!
Keep liners in liquid so it is F**king cold.....

Then Presto!
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He had a few issue due to too tight torelance but he got it in there for me.
This bad boy is not going out anywhere now!
Few more machining to do like oil squiarters, Turbo oil return and knock sensormount.

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 Post subject: Re: Rover K-series liners into G13B
PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 8:41 am 
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Hi,

I got my block bore it out to 76mm and skimmed head to clean up.
I think this Vitara pistons are different spec to OEM.

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I think my piston is 0.61mm too high and I need to machine it off so that it won't hit my cylindere head.

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 Post subject: Re: Rover K-series liners into G13B
PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2016 4:53 am 
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Good work atchi, keen to see the outcome.
GTP


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 Post subject: Re: Rover K-series liners into G13B
PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 7:11 am 
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Hi,

I have my pistons machined down by 25 thou" or should I say 0.65mm.
I checked to see if it is OK and it looks perfect!

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I have fitted all ARP bolts for my dry engine build.

It seems OK.

Next stage, build it properly with all of my gear I will be using!

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Atchi


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