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 Post subject: Re: Turbo G13B block, how to prepare for lots of boost?
PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 4:51 pm 
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would be interesting to know what main studs would fit such a girdle.

Bill please let us know which main studs you end up using and other details?


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 Post subject: Re: Turbo G13B block, how to prepare for lots of boost?
PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 7:32 pm 
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Might even pay to make the internal radii a little more generous. What car is it going into? The mallock?

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 Post subject: Re: Turbo G13B block, how to prepare for lots of boost?
PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 12:08 pm 
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d wrote:
would be interesting to know what main studs would fit such a girdle.

Bill please let us know which main studs you end up using and other details?


Yep will do.




VOLKERbALL-GTi wrote:
Might even pay to make the internal radii a little more generous. What car is it going into? The mallock?


Yes the Mallock. I figure ~250 kW in a 450kg car should be a bit of fun.


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 Post subject: Re: Turbo G13B block, how to prepare for lots of boost?
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any more pics?


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 Post subject: Re: Turbo G13B block, how to prepare for lots of boost?
PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 4:11 pm 
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Now your just teasing :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Turbo G13B block, how to prepare for lots of boost?
PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:27 am 
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Billzilla wrote:
d wrote:
would be interesting to know what main studs would fit such a girdle.

Bill please let us know which main studs you end up using and other details?


Yep will do.

VOLKERbALL-GTi wrote:
Might even pay to make the internal radii a little more generous. What car is it going into? The mallock?


Yes the Mallock. I figure ~250 kW in a 450kg car should be a bit of fun.


Fun? more like mayhem! :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Turbo G13B block, how to prepare for lots of boost?
PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 3:53 pm 
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dmwdave wrote:
Well the wet liners in a m series block are pressed into place at the bottom of the block(block is heated in a oven and sleeves put in freezer,I am yet to take my g13b block and the M18 block to the machine shop for their opinion but I cant see why it wont work,the M series engines dont have a block guard and Im not thinking of using one on this engine either.


Any confirmation Dave the liners are heat shrunk held in?


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 Post subject: Re: Turbo G13B block, how to prepare for lots of boost?
PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 10:55 pm 
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Did you end up getting a G13bb block Bill?
I now work at Perth's largest suzuki wrecker [-o< i can get you one if you have no luck elsewhere.
I though the G10 4cylinder engines were hard to get :-k did you source one out of a kei van or something?


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 Post subject: Re: Turbo G13B block, how to prepare for lots of boost?
PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 9:23 pm 
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Had a dig through today, we have G10b altos in stock, boss said he'll look after me if i want one
(do you need a donor engine for that 1 litre crank bill? :wink: ) drop me a pm, i now have a decent g13bb block and can get a g10b crank as well if needed


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 Post subject: Re: Turbo G13B block, how to prepare for lots of boost?
PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 12:02 am 
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What are the limits in the class?
If for IP 1189cc is good then x 1.7 stays under 2 litres for boost.
Im thinking a Honda D12B1 crankshaft machined from 72mm to 69mm
would be better with 74mm bores otherwise the 61mm G10B crank is too small


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 Post subject: Re: Turbo G13B block, how to prepare for lots of boost?
PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 10:07 pm 
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Bewitched Gti wrote:
Did you end up getting a G13bb block Bill?
I now work at Perth's largest suzuki wrecker [-o< i can get you one if you have no luck elsewhere.
I though the G10 4cylinder engines were hard to get :-k did you source one out of a kei van or something?


I haven't looked for a G13BB block yet, but will do later on.
I got a G10 from DMW, he has one sitting around.




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What are the limits in the class?


I had a think about it and instead of spending a lot of money getting special parts made for an 1170cc engine I'm going to build an otherwise conventional 1298cc G13B. I'll ask all the guys in my class if that's okay with them and explain that the reason I want to do it that way is it'll cost a lot less to build and in any case with either engine I'm going to be limited by the gearbox as to how much power I can make. Since I'm limited to XXX amount of torque, it doesn't really matter how big the engine is and with the 1300c engine I'll be running fewer revs than with the smaller engine so it'll actually make a bit less kW/hp.


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 Post subject: Re: Turbo G13B block, how to prepare for lots of boost?
PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 10:59 pm 
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Bill you could fit a vitara box from an American 4 x 2 Vitara or just modify a Vitara one.
Peeps at Auszookers do it all the time to run a sep hilux transfer case

http://auszookers.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... &start=210

http://www.auszookers.com/forum/viewtop ... =5&t=30868

im looking at using one for RWD from Oz instead of the American ones with shortened shift position and modified rear section to make it smaller and more compact, its alot of work.

heres a pic of the Yankie 4 x 2 rwd g16b vitara box

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 Post subject: Re: Turbo G13B block, how to prepare for lots of boost?
PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 11:19 am 
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d wrote:
Bill you could fit a vitara box from an American 4 x 2 Vitara or just modify a Vitara one.


The one I have is likely to be stronger than one of those.


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 Post subject: Re: Turbo G13B block, how to prepare for lots of boost?
PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 9:33 am 
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Just for reference these vitara boxes are indestructible as by the 4 x 4 peeps at auszookers never able to brake them with 33inch tyres and all kinds of abuse with turbo g16b and same type of box for v6 vitaras 5 door wagons. If your box can handle more than the stress from the v6 torque, massive tyres and weight these things have to lug around in rough terrain by knuckle dragging apes then Id be very impressed. :D

What input shaft, gearset or internals are you using? I know of a gti box with ppg 6 speed close ratio in a rallye suk but not sure on its strength compared to a Vitara box.


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 Post subject: Re: Turbo G13B block, how to prepare for lots of boost?
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It's a Toyota T-50 with PAR Engineering internals.
All straight-cut gears with dog-change mechanism and a 1:1 5th gear.
It's a bit difficult to tell by looking at those photos but I think it'd be very hard to get that Suzuki gearbox into the Mallock as well.


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 Post subject: Re: Turbo G13B block, how to prepare for lots of boost?
PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:54 pm 
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Oh yeah the T50 is fantastic in your builds
Id be interested in a bellhousing to suit a G13 but then Im stuck with horrible first gear :(

Im planning to move the shift forward also on the Vit box like this


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 Post subject: Re: Turbo G13B block, how to prepare for lots of boost?
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Some progress .....
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 Post subject: Re: Turbo G13B block, how to prepare for lots of boost?
PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 1:04 pm 
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Thats lovely Bill pitty you dont sell the bellhousing!
One of the lightest best mass produced budget boxes ever made
with one of the lightest best mass pro. engines ever made.

I know the gearing in it is pricey on that box but still what a combo! =D>

The only thing that would beat that box would be a strengthened ultima
harly aftermarket sequential 5 or 6 speed box.

take off the belt drive on one side, use sierra bellhousing on the front
input shaft is longer so easy to machine to size with custom clutch and
you are not far off from cheapest sequential rwd boxes starting 750usd

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there are so many of the critters!
http://www.tejasthumpcycles.com/transmi ... ssions.htm

http://demonscy.ipower.com/i_pics/tranny_rsd_4_3.jpg

what do you think Bill possible budget sequential for sub 250hp featherweight racer???


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 Post subject: Re: Turbo G13B block, how to prepare for lots of boost?
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what do you think Bill possible budget sequential for sub 250hp featherweight racer???



Anywhere from ~$20,000 to $100,000. ;)

Interesting about those Harley gearboxes, though being a motorbike gearbox they aren't allowed in my class. :(


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 Post subject: Re: Turbo G13B block, how to prepare for lots of boost?
PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 1:33 pm 
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Bill thats a bugger as they take a 400kg soft tail with all the options
plus rider with an `El Bruto` 2.3 litre 160 hp and 170 lbs v-twin.
They have all billet steel internals and starting at under 800usd
Id love to use an auto bellhousing from vitara with the “Lucky 13”™
adapter to match g13, hydraulic bearing release & rear flange to suit.
Would make a nice box for under 180lbs of torque in sub 600kg car.


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